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I have the following info. from John Arnold birth cert. born 16.09.1900 Bethnal Green - Father: John Arnold Cabinet Maker. Mother Lizzie Arnold formerly Bowley.

Can anyone find a marriage for for John & Lizzie. I can't find them on census's, marriages or deaths - any ideas please.

I know the timing seems way out, & James not John, but lots of coincidences.

Marriages Sep 1867
...>>>ARNOLD James Bethnal Green 1c 733
...>>>BOWLEY Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 733
CORRAN Lydia Bethnal Green 1c 733
HILL George Henry Bethnal Green 1c 733

This looks like them, but James is a shoe maker.

1871:
Name: James Arnold
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 136
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Arnold 24
James Arnold 21
Mary Myers 63

Is this Lizzie with family in 1901

Name: Lizzie Bowley
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Notting Hill

Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriels Chapelry and St James Norlands
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 423
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Bowley 9
Frederick Bowley 33
Kate Bowley 6
Lizzie Bowley 2
Mary Bowley 72
Mary A Bowley 30

Roy

Surely that can't be them - married in 1867 and son John born 1900!!! It would also mean DOB had to be 1846 or before making Lizzie at least 54yrs. when she gave birth!!!!!

Don't think so P.P. she gave birth in 1900!!!

Linda, sorry i had a senior moment then, I don't mind but i am only 21 years old, again :-)))

Roy

Do you know of any siblings by any chance?

Selena

Would a wood turner progress to being a cabinet maker?

1891
Name: John Arnold
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Our, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Arnold 4
Frances Arnold 28
Frances Arnold 12
George Arnold 10/12
John Arnold 33
Rose Arnold 8
William Arnold 6

Only because the family is in Bethnal Green

This is a real long shot but wondering if the registrar wrote down the wrong surname. I have a marriage certificate with a witness name crossed through because the registrar wrote completey the wrong first name.

Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)

Arnold John James Bethnal Green 1c 351
Harvey Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 351

I was looking at that one Selena. I wondered if Lizzie was married before but had no luck following it up.

Ozi.

Sorry folks, perhaps I should have said the full story but it didn't seem too important at the time but............... Today I was contacted by someone in the hope we had a mutual relly. The relly in question is John Arnold 1876. I have research him for months and given up because I couldn't find anything. Today I was told that John Arnold married Lizzie Bowley, they had a son John born 16th Sept. 1900 who was born in a workhouse in Bethnal Green and a family named Bay brought him up as their own.
Is that a challenge to anyone - I hope so?

1901 how about this one

Name: John Bay
Age: 7 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Lizzie
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green South
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 256
Household Members: Name Age
John Bay 28 Horse hair dresser
John Bay 7 months
Lizzie Bay 28

Maybe John never married Lizzie.

Well done, Glitz.

Glitter, I did find that one and think they are more than likely the correct ones who raised J Arnold 1900, however, I'm still searching for the Arnold's he was born to. I thought it too much of a coincidence that biological and adoptive parents have the same name but the birth cert. confirms one set and the son is adamant about the others.

Ozzie, do you think that John Arnold and Lizzie weren't married, they went their separate ways and John Bay later came on the scene and raised young John as his own. i.e. biological mother adoptive father

Best match for a marriage

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)

Bay John Bethnal Green 1c 526
Fuller William Henry Bethnal Green 1c 526
Menlove Ada Sarah Bethnal Green 1c 526
RODWELL Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 526

Well done Glitter Baby, I found that one when i was looking for a mistranscription but discounted it because he is not a Cabinet Maker and it was not mistranscribed, but now with the full story it apears to be correct

Roy

Perhaps the family changed their name.