Genealogy Chat

hiya all, i have come to a complete brick wall with my walsh family.it seems that none of the childrens births were registered as i have applied at the gro and the search always comes back negative,does any-one know of where i can look next. any help well appreciated. gwen x

What part of the country? Were the children baptised? Could they have been registered under a different surname, either as they were illegitimate or their mother remarried? Have you found them in a census to see where they said they were born?

hi pete, thanks for your reply,they lived in Hulme manchester on 61 and 71 census and on 81 census in ordsall salford,i dont know if they were baptised or not.they were not as far as i know registered under a different name as the whole family are together on all censuses, gwen

Give us some specifics - names and census dates, and see whatanyone can find

hope this is ok here goes, here are the detailes for 61.RG9/2894 FOLIO/82 PAGE17. 71 census RG10/4002 FOLIO/47 PAGE/24. and 81 RG11/3974 FOLIO/68 PAGE/22. thanks gwen

Hi Gwen I'm having a similar problem with my Simmons family in Camberwell. I read somewhere that if one of the children had not been registered chances are none of them would have been - which is not much help is it. You may have to work out from maps etc which are nearest churches and then plough through the parish records. It seemed to be the case that even after it became a legal requirement to register a birth (1870's?) many families either didn't know or didn't do it. But, some families seemed to believe that baptising their children was the same as registration so odds are you will find them in parish records. You can check if the LDS has the film of the parish registers of any churches in question and order them in - that will save visiting the record office if you're not local. If the LDS does not have them then come back on here and see if anyone either has CD or easy access to local records office. (My Camberwell lot are not at the local office and LDS do not have them on film so I will need to make a trip to Metropolitan Archives - I will keep my fingers crossed that you find yours!). It might be worth trawling FreeBMD for groups of children with your names in the area in question seeing if they were registered under a different name. Mum's maiden name or whatever if you know it. Or just comparing what surnames appear against which forenames - bit of a slow haul but might come up trumps if you have one or more unusual forename to check. Good Luck. Jill

jill, thank-you very -very much,you have made me feel there is light at the end of the tunnel after all. good-luck in your search also. gwen.

Found this on the IGI Sarah Ann Welch Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 02 APR 1855 St George,Hulme, , Lancashire, England Parents: Father: Edward Welch Mother: Margaret Tomlinson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: I016417

Do you think this is your family in 1851?? Edward Welch Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Hulme Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St George County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Decayed Sub-registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 2c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Edward Welch 24 labourer b Manchester Margaret Welch 23 b Lytham Matilda Welch 3 Sarah Welch 10 Mo Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2221; Folio: 94; Page: 13; GSU roll: 87230-87231.

Marriage Margaret Tomlinson Year of Registration: 1845 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 676 Edward Walsh

There's this birth which ought to be correct Sarah Walsh Year of Registration: 1850 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Chorlton County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 273