Genealogy Chat

Once again everyone, a big thank you for all your lookups. I can certainly get climbing now. Much appreciated. Thelma

As posted above, Joseph's marriage is on the IGI. Some but not all of the children are included on the IGI baptism records too. It may be possible to view the film of the parish records through a local LDS research centre. Have you checked to locate your nearest one? http://www.lds.org.uk/family_history_search.php?type=FHC Pete

Marriage:- 28 January 1827, St Maurice, Winchester, Hants Joseph Thomas to Ann Wyatt Victoria

Thelma, Have you seen the census entries for the family, the 1851 is posted above. From there it may be possible to track the baptism records for some or all of the children. Certainly, St John's is available online on the pay to view website familyhistoryonline. (It's a dot net site). I think you can get quite a lot for a £5 payment. Check out the GENUKI website for Hampshire for local information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HAM/ and also see: http://www.hants.gov.uk/record-office/index.html for details of the record office in Winchester.

And just to round it off - 1841 when St John was already a year old (no wonder they didn't get their ages right in later years!!) St John Thomas Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Gender: Male Where born: Hampshire, England Civil Parish: St Peter Colebrook Hundred: Winchester City and Soke Liberty County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View Image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: Winchester Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Thomas 30 Charles Thomas 12 George Thomas 10 Georgiana Thomas 3 Henry Thomas 7 Jane Thomas 5 Joseph Thomas 35 Joseph Thomas 6 Samuel Thomas 9 Sarah Thomas 13 St John Thomas 1 Victoria

Thank you all so much for helping much appreciated. I live nowhere near Winchester, as I want to reach further back, is it possible to obtain items from Parish records by post? If so what do I have to be able to tell them. I know I may seem a bit slow but it does take a bit of getting to grips with. Once again many thanks. Thelma

The information you have posted tallies with the baptism data in the Hampshire Baptisms database on the familyhistoryonline website. St John Thomas S of Joseph & Ann Thomas baptised 3 Jul 1840 at Winchester St Maurice. St John THOMAS is also found with his parents and siblings in the 1841 and 1851 census. His birth may not have been registered (as pointed out previously). If his baptism occurred in July 1840 he could have been born in Qtr 1 or Qtr 2 of 1840. Even if his parents did register his birth it may occur in Qtr 3 of 1840. Or of course, it may not be there at all. If it is his mother's maiden name that you are hoping to learn you could consider obtaining the birth certificate for a younger sibling, assuming that they are registered. Have you seen the baptism entry in the parish records, it may give his actual date of birth as well as his baptism date. Pete

In the Navy as a cook come 1861 St Jno Thomas Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Engrs Cook (Cook) Gender: Male Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Vessels County/Island: Royal Navy Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Royal Navy Sub-registration district: Royal Navy ED, institution, or vessel: Narcissus Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Victoria

Well, nothing shows up on the IGI website - but how about this on the 1851 census? Right place and right age for St John St John Thomas Sr Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Winchester St Faith Ecclesiastical parish: West Sparkford County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 138 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Thomas 7 Ann Thomas 42 Edward Thomas 4 Elizabeth Thomas 14 Ellen Thomas 2 Emily Thomas 6 George Thomas 29 Georgina Thomas 12 Henry Thomas 17 Joseph Thomas 46 Joseph Thomas 15 Samuel Thomas 19 St John Thomas 10 William Thomas 9 (copyright, National archives) St John's entry does NOT say senior. Father is chief clerk in the Country Prison - born in Portsmouth. Mother born London All children born in Winchester Victoria

Registration began in 1837 but was not compulsory until 1875 so you might find the birth was not registered.

I am trying to get a birth cert for my G/Grandfather a St.John Thomas c 3.7.1840 St Maurice, Winchester to enable me to carry on further back. Did they have birth certs then? I have looked on BMD with no luck, Any ideas please? Thanks Thelma