Genealogy Chat

sarah, his dad was alive then as i have him on a wedding photo of his daughter, [granddads sister] nan and granddad are also on it, it was about 1930--40s. g.granddad was a bargeman, as was granddad, and my dad was a captain on the tugs[lameys tugs] so it is in the family. thanks for your help, chris.

And to re-iterate what Carole said - there are no George Glover's with an appropriate occupation in 1901. Not only might dad have been in the Boer War, maybe he had already died? I would have thought at a bargeman, his family are likely to have been in the same occupation for generations, so it could be worth investigating all Glover bargeman/waterman etc to see if you can get some sort of pattern established (1881 Ancestry or CD's you can search occupations and also the Nat Archives version of the 1901). Obviously this would be a last resort!! Have I already said that if Edward Glover lived to after 1966 his dob should be on his death cert? Might help with finding the correct birth cert - not forgetting the data given at death might be wrong lol Good Luck Sarah

Hi Chris, The full name would only appear on the mariage certificate if the person gave it, so if he said his name was Edward Glover, then that's the name the minister/registrar would have recorded. Also, sorry, I think I might have confused you about the 1901 census. what I was trying to say was that Edward's father George might not be on the census at all, if he was serving during the Boer War and was abroad on census night. If that was the case, then Edward could be with just his mother (and any siblings). This would mean you'd have to widen your census search, but it might explain why you can't find an Edward with a father George. Best wishes, Carole

Just for a millisecond then I thought I had the b*****s!! Turned out I had accidentally entered the wrong name! I was looking for 'George Glover, bargeman' or similar, but put in Edward by mistake (this in 1901). Turned up a waterman (on canal) called Edward Glover with son Edward (amongst others!) aged 3. How frustrating - maybe he is your distant cousin lol In case you need to follow this family up later, this is them in 1901: Charles Glover abt 1900 Cheshire, England Son Kirkdale Lancashire Edward Glover abt 1866 Tinsley, Lancashire, England Head Kirkdale Lancashire Edward Glover abt 1898 Runcorn, Cheshire, England Son Kirkdale Lancashire Francis Glover abt 1901 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Kirkdale Lancashire George Glover abt 1896 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Kirkdale Lancashire Jane A Glover abt 1893 Leigh Daughter Kirkdale Lancashire Mary Glover abt 1860 Hacking Bdge, Cheshire, England Wife Kirkdale Lancashire Robert Glover abt 1887 Leigh, Lancashire, England Son Kirkdale Lancashire Sarah

thanks chloe, i,ve got the census page were edward glover is and have saved it-------'incase'!!! i've got right back on my nans side, but granddad is proving difficult to find!!!!!! i know his fathers name was george but i don't know the mothers name! if granddad was alive today i would know were to find him------in the pub!!!!!!! thanks for your help, i won't give up!!! chris.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help trying to find his family. It looks like you are going to have to buy more than one certificate..... can't suggest anything else really. I was lucky, my names were uncommon... they've gotten more common as I've got further back, but I was pretty lucky to begin with. Good luck. xx

chloe, the witnesses were deborah mary churchill and john william archbold[this is what the second name looks like,or it could be archibold] deborah mary was my nans sister, who the bloke was i don't know. chris

Who were the witnesses? Are they any help? There is a family in Kirkdale, head of house is a waterman (barge) but he is Edward Glover also.

nudge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sarah, the occupation of the father was bargeman, and Edward was a bargeman too. chris.

On the 1924 marriage cert, what was the occupation for the father, George Glover? Sarah

thanks ever so much everyone, now i have something to go on! carole ann, i don't know if he had any other name, but on the marriege cert it just has edward, if he had any other name wouldn't it be on the cert? my nan's full name is on it, but her fathers full name isn't!! i would of thought they would have to put the full name[the groom not the father] chris. ps: he was born January, so he would be on 1901 census.

Hi Chris, Are you sure Edward was his first christian name, and not his middle name? My great-grandfather, who was born about the same time was called William Frederick after his father, and that's the name on his birth certificate, but he was always known as Frederick William. Also, you might not find him with George if his dad was serving in the Boer War in 1901. Carole

Looking 1895-1899, I couldn't find any births on the Lancashire site (yet) but these on the Cheshire site: Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1895 GLOVER Edward John Northwich Cheshire Central NO/68/001 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1897 GLOVER Edward Stockport Second Stockport ST2/56/89 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1898 GLOVER Edward Runcorn Halton RUN/78/37 Christine

These are Edward Glover entries in 1901 index - age 4 +/- 1 year (depending on whether he was born before or after census night): AgeWhereBorn AdministrCounty Civil Parish Occupation Edward Glover 3 Cheshire Stockport Cheshire Stockport (Cb) (Part) Edward Glover 3 Claverley Shropshire Stafford Chesterton Edward Glover 3 East Ham Essex Essex East Ham Edward Glover 3 Lancs Heywood Lancashire Heywood Edward Glover 3 Lincs Grimsby Grimsby Lincolnshire Gt Grimsby Edward Glover 3 Runcorn Cheshire Kirkdale Edward Glover 5 Lancs St Helens Lancashire St Helens Edward Glover 5 Surrey Anerley Kent Penge Edward Glover 5 Walsall Staffs Stafford Tipton nell

Chirs These are on national archives Edward Glover 2 London St Pancras Essex East Ham Edward Glover 2 Staff Fenton Staffordshire Fenton Edward Glover 2 Staffs Ellenhall Staffordshire Ellenhall Edward Glover 3 Cheshire Stockport Cheshire Stockport (Cb) (Part) Edward Glover 3 Claverley Shropshire Stafford Chesterton Edward Glover 3 East Ham Essex Essex East Ham Edward Glover 3 Lancs Heywood Lancashire Heywood Edward Glover 3 Lincs Grimsby Grimsby Lincolnshire Gt Grimsby Edward Glover 3 Runcorn Cheshire Kirkdale Edward Glover 5 Lancs St Helens Lancashire St Helens J

Edward Glover births 1897 on ancestry civil reg: Glover, Edward 1897 December Births West Ham Essex Greater London Glover, Edward 1897 June Births Stockport Cheshire Lancashire Glover, Edward 1897 June Births Wolverhampton Shropshire Staffordshire West Midlands Glover, Edward 1897 March Births Leigh Lancashire Glover, Edward 1897 September Births Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire nell

can anyone help? i am looking for my grandfather in 1901, he was Edward Glover born 1897,he would have been 4 then. sorry,not sure were he was born!! could have been somewhere on Merseyside, or anywhere!!!!! i have the marriege cert and he was here on merseyside then, married in 1924 age 27. i have looked on 1901 census,but can't find him! his father's name was George,don't know the mothers name. can anyone help? i'm going mad trying to find him!!!!!!!!! chris.