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Hi can anyone help me with this one. my great grandma catherine broomhead married thomas hodgetts in 1877 ( i have the certificate ) their first child was born 5th january 1890 and on the birth cartificate it says mother catherine hodgetts formerly known as broomhead but there is no mention of the father niether name or ocuupation. any ideas? thanks linda x

Have you looked on the 1891 census and see who Catherine is living with. What is her childs name and where was he born so we can all have a look. Margaret

It might help to find Thomas and Catherine in 1881 and 1891 to see if they are together. With such a long gap between marriage and a 1st child, I wonder if Thomas was actually the father. Did the child marry and if so was a father named on the certificate?

The marriage that you mention BROOMHEAD, Catherine 1877 December Marriages Leigh Lancashire Higham, John 1877 December Marriages Leigh Lancashire HODGETTS, Thomas 1877 December Marriages Leigh Lancashire HURST, Mary Ann 1877 December Marriages Leigh Lancashire Do you know she was definatley NEE Broomhead?(born a Broomhead)

what and where are they in 1881? who do these two children belong to? Hodgetts, Elizabeth Esther 1873 June Births Leigh Lancashire HODGETTS, Richard 1881 December Births Leigh Lancashire Above Elizabeth in 1881 which doesn't help much Elizabeth Clarke abt 1818 Leighford, Staffordshire, England Wife 83 King St, Pennington In Leigh, Lancashire, England William Clarke abt 1818 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head 83 King St, Pennington In Leigh, Lancashire, England Elizabeth E. Hodgetts abt 1874 Leigh, Lancashire, England Granddaughter 83 King St, Pennington In Leigh, Lancashire, England

There is a Thomas and Catherine together in 1891 but they have 4 children .1 called Percy born 1890. Margaret

How old were they when they married please

Presumably Thomas Hodgetts was not the father and Catherine was not married to the father so was not allowed to put his name on the birth cert. If you can find a marriage for the child you mention and get the cert, then he or she may possibly give his or her father's name on the marriage cert? Kate.

HI THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS. WELL HERE GOES THE STORY SO FAR CATHERINE BROOMHEAD BORN 1858 IN ASPULL WIGAN LANCS 1877 MARRIES THOMAS HODGETTS IN LEIGH LANCS 1881 CATHERINE HODGETTS LIVING WITH HER DAUGHTER MARY WHO WAS BORN 1880 LIVING IN ATHERTON BUT NO THOMAS IN 1891 SHE IS LIVINGWITH A JOHN WILLIAM MOULDING AS A HOUSEKEEPER WITH 3 CHILDREN MARY, ELIZABETH, HENRIETTA ALL BIRTHS REGISTERED AS HODGETTS IN 1901 SHE IS DOWN AS CATHERINE MOULDING BUT( NO MARRIAGE FOUND) THERE IS NOW ONE OTHER SON JOSIAH AND HE IS REGISTERED AS HODGETTS BUT THE CHILDEN ARE BROUGHT UP AS MOULDING HENRIETTA MOULDING/HODGETTS WAS MY GRANDMOTHER ALL I KNOW ABOUT THOMAS HODGETTS IS WHATS ON THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE. BORN ABOUT 1857 BACHELOR, COAL MINER LIVING LONDON ROAD WESTLEIGH, LEIGH ,LANCS, FATHER - THOMAS HODGETTS - BLACKSMITH. WHERE CAN I FIND OUT ABOUT THOMAS HODGETTS ? ANY IDEAS THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP LINDA X PS ON HENRIETTAS BIRTH CERT IT SAYS MOTHER CATHERINE HODGETTS FORMERLY KNOWN AS BROOMHEAD THAT WAS 1890

Sorry, I 'updated' my reply just as you were adding yours! So in case you didn't see my addition, I suggested if you can find a marriage for the child you mention and get his / her marriage certificate, it may give his / her father's name on there. But now I see your reply, I am confused. You say their first child was born in 1890, but in your reply you say they had a child in 1880. Do you have birth certs for the other children apart from Henrietta, and if so, is Thomas named as the father on any of them? Kate.

SORRY KATE I AM CONFUSING EVERYONE I ONLY HAVE THE BIRTH CERT OF MY MU AND ON THAT IT SAYS HER MOTHER IS HENRETTA BARLOW (MARRIED NAME) FORMERLY KNOWN AS MOULDING .ON FREE BMD ALL CATHERINES CHILDREN ARE HODGETTS BUT LIVING RELATIVES HAD ALWAYS KNOWN THE FAMILY NAME AS MOULDING . I SUPPOSE THEY WERE REGISTERED HODGETTS AS I DONT THINK CATHERINE AND JOHN MOULDING EVER MARRIED. BUT MUST HAVE TAKEN HIS NAME. IF I SEND OFF FOR A BIRTH CERT FOR MY GRANDMA WHAT INFO WOULD I NEED I DONT KNOW WHO THE FATHER IS DOES THAT MATTER AND HOW CAN I FIND OUT ABOUT THOMAS HODGETTS THANKS LINDA X

Linda, There's this in 1881: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence Thomas Hodgetts abt 1859 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Boarder 23 Hilton Street, Atherton, Lancashire, England Says he's married and a coal miner. Crista

Here's his father in 1881: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence Alice Hodgetts abt 1866 Newton Le Willows, Lancashire, England Daughter 306 Leigh Rd, Atherton, Lancashire, England Eliza Hodgetts abt 1864 Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter 306 Leigh Rd, Atherton, Lancashire, England Ellen Hodgetts abt 1831 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife 306 Leigh Rd, Atherton, Lancashire, England George Hodgetts abt 1869 Leigh, Lancashire, England Son 306 Leigh Rd, Atherton, Lancashire, England Thomas Hodgetts abt 1832 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Blacksmith 306 Leigh Rd, Atherton, Lancashire, England Crista

HI CRISTA, THAT LOOKS PROMISING. AS MARY - CATHERINE AND THOMAS FIRST CHILD WAS BORN IN ATHERTON. HOW CAN I FIND OUT ABOUT THOMAS IF SOMEONE CAN POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANKS LINDA X

hI CRISTA, WHAT CAN I SAY YOU ARE A STAR. YOU HAVE GOT ME SO EXCITED I CANT WAIT TO PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER THANKS A MILLIONA LINDA X

Here's the family in 1871 transcribed as Hodgill: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image Alice Hodgill abt 1864 Pennington, Lancashire, England Daughter Atherton Lancashire Eliza Hodgill abt 1861 Bury, Lancashire, England Daughter Atherton Lancashire George Hodgill abt 1869 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Atherton Lancashire Sarah Hodgill abt 1829 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife Atherton Lancashire Susannah Hodgill abt 1855 Bury, Lancashire, England Daughter Atherton Lancashire Thomas Hodgill abt 1828 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Atherton Lancashire Thomas Hodgill abt 1859 Bury, Lancashire, England Son Atherton Lancashire William Hodgill abt 1857 Bury, Lancashire, England Son Atherton Lancashire Crista

So what was the name of the first child you know to be born of Catherine Broomhead. Who was she living with at the time and what name was she using? Jess

H JESS CATHERINE AND THOMAS HAD A DAUGHTER MARY ANN BORN SEPTEMBER (ISH) 1879 I DONT KNOW IF CATHERINE AND THOMAS WERE TOGETHER THEN BUT THEY WERE MARRIED IN 1877 SO WOULD THEY HAVE SPLIT UP SO SOON ? THANKS LINDA

CRISTA WHOO HOO ! ! HOW CAN I THANK YOU YOU ARE A STAR THANKS LINDA X

Linda Have checked 1837 from Jan 1891 to Dec 1901 and there is no marriage recorded between a Catherine Hodgetts and John William Moulding. Sorry. Victor