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This MIGHT be their marriage - but cos of the common names, it might not be! Name Year Quarter Record Type District County COLE, Martha 1869 March Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex **COOK, James 1869 March Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex JAQUES, Zachariah 1869 March Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex **TAYLOR, Mary Ann 1869 March Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex Name: COOK, James Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1869 District: Shoreditch County: London Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 259

lol, older relatives are terrible like that. my dad isn't even very old (he's 60 this year) and when i found a new cousin who was my nana's great great niece - dad replied - oh yeah i remember that! was worse when i finally tracked down his cousin (from his dad's side who he didn't know very well at all), who was deceased - but his son was alive - dad was always adament that his uncle ernie never had children when in fact he did!! always keep it in mind, relatives have a funny way of going 'oh yeah, i remember that' after you've done all the hard work trying to find it out! Might be that they didn't marry until after 1901 - Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ---------------------------- Marriages Sep 1904 ------------------------- Alcock Herbert Henry Lambeth 1d 868 COOK Mary Ann Lambeth 1d 868 Hunneman John Blaydon Lambeth 1d 868 Legge Florence Lambeth 1d 868 If that is the family - then this is them on the 1871 which hopefully gives Mary's maiden name too! Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image James Cook abt 1849 Oxfordshire, England Head Lambeth St Mary London , Mason James W Cook abt 1870 Brixton, Surrey, England Son Lambeth St Mary London Mary A Cook abt 1849 Camden, Middlesex, England Wife Lambeth St Mary London James Taylor abt 1851 Camden, Middlesex, England Brother-in-law Lambeth St Mary London good luck. chloe x

thanks agian think you could be right just spoke to my mother in law and she decied to tell me the was a hunneman some were will cheak it out and let u now thanks again have just found mumilaws birth cert her grand mother was m a hunneman matilda muade was an aunt

This fits (with sister called Matilda - even though it might have been her mother's name - relatives do get things wrong, my mum thought that my g grandmother on my dad's side was from Newcastle but she was from London). Also fits with her father being deceased at the time of her marriage. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Edith Cook abt 1889 Brixton, London, England Stepdaughter Lambeth London Frederick Cook abt 1882 Brixton, London, England Stepson Lambeth London Harold Cook abt 1887 Brixton, London, England Stepson Lambeth London Matilda Cook abt 1894 Brixton, London, England Stepdaughter Lambeth London Alice Hunneman abt 1887 Brixton, London, England Daughter Lambeth London John Hunneman abt 1857 Brixton, London, England Head Lambeth London Mary Hunneman abt 1849 Aunben Town, London, England Wife Lambeth London William Hunneman abt 1883 Brixton, London, England Son Lambeth London This is the family on 1891 - Unforunately Margaret/Mary is widowed already. BUT Herbert's occ gives a clue Margret Cook, wid, 42, Laundress, Camden Town Herbert Cook, son, 18, Stone Mason, Hoxton William H Cook, son, 14, ?? assistant, Brixton Ernest A Cook, son, 11, Scholar, ditto Frederick A Cook, son, 9, ditto, ditto Harold Cook, son, 4, ditto ditto Edith Cook, dau, 2, , ditto/Lambeth MAry A Clark, visitor, 26, Lives on own means, London Peckham C Long, visitor, 27 ,Clerk, Brixton Address - 6 Willington Road, Lambeth And 1881 - I really think that this is the right family Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability James COOKE Head M Male 32 Oxford, England Stone Mason Mary Anne COOKE Wife M Female 31 Camden Town, Middlesex, England James Willm. COOKE Son U Male 11 Lambeth, Surrey, England Scholar Herbert COOKE Son U Male 8 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Scholar Maude Alice COOKE Daur U Female 7 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Scholar William Harry COOKE Son U Male 4 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Scholar Ernest Arthur COOKE Son U Male 1 Lambeth, Surrey, England Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 92 Dalyell Rd Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341143 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0620 / 31 Page Number 55

Well that's a bit of a stretch - London or Ireland?? And if you're unsure on those, she could be from anywhere! Still trying to have a look for you, but if you're not entirely sure then it'll prove difficult with such a common name. What makes you think she might have been Irish? Chloe

i think she came from london but could have been irish

Does the 1901 entry not have James down as her father, then? Sorry, I couldn't see that one - can't get into Ancestry at work. I can't find a marriage between a James Cook and a Matilda Maud ?? either. Still trying to help! Do you know if she was from London?? Chloe

thanks for looking but fathers name is james

This birth matches the Edith F Cook on the 1901 (born 1888 St Pancras) Surname First name(s) District Vol Page --------------------------- Births Mar 1888 ----------------------- COOK Edith Florence Pancras 1b 119

thanks for all your help at least know i cansend for birth certs for some lays and see if they are the right ones

Perhaps she was Matilda Maud, but they (Edith's parents) may have had a child and called her Matilda Maud, after her mother. When it comes to ancestors - they send us around in circles! Just never assume things - it's that that gets you into trouble and tracing the wrong tree for years (I've done it!!) Chloe x Am at work at the mo so can't look too much for you, but will try and look some more when I get home.

my mother in-law rembers her grandmother being matilda maude

Did Edith live in London too? There's a birth for a MAtilda Maud Cook in Lambeth in 1893. Could be a sister - it is possible that her mother was a witness at the wedding, but don't assume that it was. Chloe Births Dec 1893 --------------- Cook Matilda Maud Lambeth 1d 413

Don't put yourself down, Stephanie! How do you know it was Edith's mother who was a witness and not her sister or another Cook relation?? The Cooks will be harder to find than the other side, because there are so many to choose from! Sarah

sorry did that all wrong should put glassesss on when reading yes both had same name ediths mother was wittnes on marrage cert thank you for helping idot like me

It's best if you post everything to this thread, rather than personal message - that way all can read it! Your message to me read: ''wedding was parish church stockwell james cook was stonemason james henry lay was carpenter'' Thanks for the names. When you say, James Henry Lay, are you talking about the groom, or was his father named the same? Sorry, but could you tell me where Stockwell is please? Is it the place near Lambeth, Surrey?? Re the Lays: If it's James father who was the carpenter and they both had the same name, then this family looks very likely in 1901. The dad is a carpenter: James Lay abt 1860 Bermondsey, London, England Head Camberwell London James Lay abt 1886 Wells, London, England Son Camberwell London Miriam Lay abt 1869 Woolwich, London, England Wife Camberwell London You mentioned that Edith Florence Cook's mother was called Matilda Maude Cook (nee ??). Do you know if she would have definitely been alive in 1901? Sarah

Do any of these look likely? 1901 census James Lay abt 1887 Bristol Son Bristol Gloucestershire James Lay abt 1886 Gargrave, Yorkshire, England Servant Stalmine with Stainall Lancashire James Lay abt 1886 Wells, London, England Son Camberwell London James H Lay abt 1887 Manchester, Lancashire, England Servant South Manchester Lancashire James J Lay abt 1885 Sunderland, Durham, England Son Fulwell Durham Edith F Cook abt 1888 St Pancras, London, England Daughter Edmonton Middlesex

But are both father's names recorded? and their occupations?? Thanks for the ages and Mrs Cook's name, but need father's details to trace on the census etc. Where did the wedding take place? Sarah

edith was 25. james 28 both fathers were dec mothers name was matilda muade cook

Please could you let us know their ages from the cert, also father's names and occupations (and if recorded dec'd) and where abouts in the country you might expect the couple to be from (or where the marriage took place, in any case!!) Sarah