Genealogy Chat

Its always so brilliant to see how kind people are on here helping each other out.

Just checked fo her death in 1931,1932,1933-no match i went through that option as her move down south might have been precipitated by margarets death.

The facts............. Your mother was born OND 1916 Veronica N.W.Macguire Sunderland 10a 1225 Family still in the same area then.......... 1901-1911 only 2 deaths countrywide for margaret of the right age ,only one in the right area.........1908. Dec .1909. Sunderland a Richard maguire marries-only the cert will tell you if this is margarets widower or his son,who would be 30 at this time. This cert for marriage= Sunderland 10a 1097 Buying this cert or the margaret death cert ,which might have an address on it to match up with a census address from 1901,will give you more certainty

Its ok ann,dont need to read victors message....... If you scroll down,youll see that ive compiled the whole family together after viewing 3 census images. I understand how the generations work out-all the kids are your great grand aunts and uncles etc. However,if youd read my latest snippet,Ive suggested the possibility that the margaret in question ,that brought up your mum was not her grandmother,or your great grandmother. As Ive said in a previous post the Margaret that youre trying to pin down looks like to have died in 1908. What is the anecdotal info with regards her-surely your mum must have said if she was an old lady or something when she was an adult herself,sayin the 30's or 40's? If we knew when you were born or if you ever met her,that would help-you havent given us a time range to deal with. Was she alive when you were a child- surely your mother must have mentioned something that pins her down to some sort of timescale-even if its 10 yrs out-thats better than 30!!!

how about the possibility that it was her great aunt instead who was called margaret ann aswell.This would make sense if her gran had already died,the eldest sister susannah had married in 1897,and she is the eldest sister around to your grandfather because eliza seems to have disappeared !! Which child is your grandparent from the list?

Sorry Ann - I didn't know there was the message on here as well as the ones you have sent me by PM. So do you not need Margaret's death now, because you already have it?? I'm confused because I thought you said she died after 1916????? Merry

ann ,can you read our info and give feedback please

Margaret had died by then.................. this is not a coincidence. Mar 1908 margaret ann Maguire died aged 54 Sunderland 10a 423 This links in nicely with the census ages,area,and is the only match for the whole of the country between 1901 and 1911.

Ann, do you need me to re-post the deaths 1901-1920 again, or are we now thinking that Richard and Margaret died after 1916? I can do 1916-1920, but I cannot do after this. Do you need it, or did you copy my earlier post before deleting?? Merry

The children of Richard and Margaret Maguire: Susannah born sep1873>>married June 1897sunderland 10a 1019 Thomas born Mar 1877 10a 926 Richard born June 1879 10a 651 Eliza born c. 1881 Margaret Ann born Mar 1886 10a 652 Ethel born c.1888>>died young?cant find birth Ray born c. 1890>>died young?cant find birth Mary E. born June 1890 10a 695 Henrietta born Sep. 1892 10a 684 john born c.1896 eitherDec 1896 10a 898 or as john chapman maguire sunderland 10a 759 june 1895

I am in contact with ann via PM and I think it is best to leave things here on the board. Victor

Thats the same family as my 1901 census,with Susannah left home. Had a good look at this-ages on censi are altering a bit,but the family is definitely the same one in 1881,1891 and 1901. I'll pracey the children list

Just been contacted by Ann The Richard and Margaret I listed from the 1881 census are her mother's grandparents. So they are Ann's G Grandparents Hope this makes a little more sense. Ann is looking for the deaths of this Richard and Margaret. Victor

I asked Ann earlier what decade SHE was born in , to help sort out this generation thing, that was the point at which she deleted!

Ann Am I correct in thinking that the Richard born in 1879 is your mother's father???? Victor

1891 CENSUS Richard Maguire 38>>>>>>>>>born abt 1853 Margaret 36 Susannah 17 Thomas 14 Eliza 10 margaret 5 Ethel 3 Unreadable 1 64 Dock st ,Shore ,Monkswearmouth

Ann Household Record 1881 British Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Richard MC GUIRE Head M Male 30 Ireland Puddler (Iron) Margaret MC GUIRE Wife M Female 26 Sunderland, Durham, England Sussanah MC GUIRE Dau Female 7 Sunderland, Durham, England Scholar Thomas MC GUIRE Son Male 4 Sunderland, Durham, England Richard MC GUIRE Son Male 2 Sunderland, Durham, England John MC GUIRE Father W Male 60 Ireland Formerly Labourer (No Occ) Source Information: Dwelling 96 Gladstone Street Census Place Monkwearmouth Shore, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342206 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5007 / 54 Page Number 34 Victor

Theres a problem ,there are 2 families in same area,same parents names

1901 census durham-fulwell-65 Laburnham Road Richard Head 48>>>>>born about 1853(PUDDLER) Margaret 47 Thomas 24(TAILOR) Richard 22>>>>>>>born about 1879(PUDDLER) Margaret 15 mary 10 henrietta 8 John 5

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