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any tips on finding hypenated names on census returns....do I look for the first part or second part???? Driving me mad as try to look for Robinson-Wildman for a mate and can't find any...Please help!

I would start with the last name. Where are you looking? Which year? Do you want me to try too?

Thanks Gwynne.....it is a Herbert Robinson-Wildman born around 1900 in barnet....424 Cromwell rd. Sal x

Sal on freeBMD his birth registration is showing Robinson as his middle name... Births Jun 1900 Wildman Herbert Robinson Pancras 1b 28 Georgina.

If you put Rob* it will find Robinson, and any possible barrells. You should do that for the 2nd part as well, just incase it's like the birth record.

I can't seem to find him, Sorry. The birth certificate would give his parent's names. Maybe we could then find them.

Thanks ladies.....i will have to ask my friend for a little more information....

Check this one out on 1901 if his fathers name is John as image is clearly 10 months but shows as born 1891 Name: Herbert Wildman Age: 10 months Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Tottenham Ecclesiatical parish: St Anne County/Island: Middlesex Source information: RG13/1253 Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Tottenham ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Folio: 58 Page: 21 Household schedule number: 129 Maureen Updated Address 36 Etherley Road John T Wildman abt 1878 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Head Occupation : Builders clerk Sarah Wildman abt 1878 Greenfield, Bedfordshire, England Wife Georgina A Wildman abt 1875 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Sister Eliza Stratford abt 1866 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Sister Mary A Wildman abt 1838 Ringwood, Hampshire, England Mother

That image looks good Maureen. Freebmd have a marriage possible for John, with an R as an initial. ... Wonder if he was a Robinson, too.

Just adding this because it might help others who open this thread because of the title...... Many people ''became'' double-barrelled during the Edwardian era when it was increasingly fashionable. Of the people on my tree who are double-barrelled, some with a hyphen and some without, not one was recorded this way at birth, if that birth was before around 1900!! Hope this helps a bit...... Merry

Thanks for that Merry....so did your just use the first part of the hyphenated name? Sal

............. And then there are the names that are NOT double barrelled but someone thinks they should be! I searched for ages for a marriage c. 1900 for a Henry BELCHAMBER. Eventually I found it and bought it. He was logged as Henry Bell Chamber, son of William Chamber.... .... No he wasn't!

Like that Gwyneth! Sal - My lot were generally reg for birth under the last surname. Some had the other surname as a second Christian name and others had no other names, but pulled their mother's maiden name (or the cat's auntie's name, or whatever) out of a hat when they married!! One goes from William Clark (difficult to trace!) to William Lyon-Clark (easy!! - extra bit is his grandmother's maiden name) and another goes from Rupert Buck to Rupert Cromey-Buck (with addition of his mum's maiden name). In Victorian times having two surnames (one as a middle name - not double-barrelled) was seen as a sign of illegitimacy (the middle name being your bio-father's surname), but in Edwardian England I think they must have forgotten about this ''stigma'' !! Merry

I would like to know if the input from Gwynne and I had been read. Maureen

Hi all....Maureen, just got in from work....sorry for the time difference....we are 11 hours ahead of you in Australia... I have asked my friend for some further details....she thinks that the details from London are probably correct, but is going to forward to me everything she has.... I will update as soon as I can.... Thank you all, Sal

Good morning Sally, Hope my reply did not sound rude but had other info which I did not post in case the Herbert on 1901 was the wrong one. Name: Wildman, John Tom R Record Type: Marriages Quarter: September Year: 1899 District: Pancras (1837-1901) County: London Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 253 Annie Dodd, Henry Lewis, ***Sarah Waller Name: WILDMAN, John Tom R Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1877 District: Pancras (1837-1901) County: London Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 109 1891 Name: Wildman, Mary A Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where Born: Harbridge, Hampshire Birth Country: England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Source information: RG12/128 Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 15a Folio: 149 Page: 43 GSU Number: 6095238 **Wildman, John T L abt 1878 St Pancras, London, Son Wildman, William abt 1829 Little Brickhill, Buckinghamshire, England Head 1881 Name: Mary A. Wildman Age in 1881: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relationship to head-of-household: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Silbridge, Hampshire, England Address: 43 Johnson St Civil parish: St Pancras County/Island: London Condition as to marriage: Married Source information: RG11/0201 Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Somers Town ED, institution, or vessel: 10b Folio: 62 Page: 7 William Wildman abt 1829 Buckinghamshire, England Head Eliza Wildman abt 1866 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Georgina Wildman abt 1875 London, Middlesex, England Daughter **John T. Wildman abt 1878 London, Middlesex, England Son I am keeping my fingers crossed that this is the right one. Maureen

Thanks for all your help Maureen....I will give it all to my mate....sounds good (she is on leave from work at the moment and I am only talking on the phone to her so it is difficult)... Once again many thanks, Sally x (am going to bed now as it's 11.30pm)

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Thanks all for your help.........Miss Piggy has been doing all the work for me.........she's a good girl..............double barrel names are so hard to find but please keep on helping me.this is the only side of my family finding really hard to trace.....when my father was born the addy was reg as 28 Cromwell Road, Friern, Barnett, Finchley, Middlesex married to Olive Ada (nee Kent). His birth was 12 Jan 1924 Reg on 18 Feb 1924 as Maurice John Robinson-Wildman Thanks all