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1881 census Emma M Potter born C1874 Lexdon Essex living with parents John and Matilda Lexdon Essex . --------------1891 no Emma with John and Mitilda ---------------- 1901 census Emily Fracey [ think it should read Tracey ] living with John and Matilda as daughter also a Winifred Tracey born 1896 G. daughter to John and Matilda born West Bergolt.. At first i thought Emma and Emily were proberbly the same person but i can,t find a birth for an Emma M about the right time but i can find a birth for and Emily Jane sept qrt 1871 and a marraige for an Emily Jane Potter to an Albert Edward Tracey 1892 . Are they 2 different people or the same . . Cath

can i have a jiffle to hopefully understand where you are at 1881 census Emma M Potter born C1874 Lexdon Essex living with parents John and Matilda Lexdon Essex . 1891 no Emma with John and Mitilda 1901 census Emily Fracey [ think it should read Tracey ] living with John and Matilda as daughter also a Winifred Tracey born 1896 G. daughter to John and Matilda born West Bergolt. At first i thought Emma and Emily were proberbly the same person but i can,t find a birth for an Emma M about the right time but i can find a birth for and Emily Jane sept qrt 1871 and a marraige for an Emily Jane Potter to an Albert Edward Tracey 1892 . Are they 2 different people or the same . . Cath

Winifred Birt cert might help Name: Tracey, Winifred Ada Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1896 District: Lexden County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 665 and Given that there is a death for Albert edward Tracey at the right time / right place Name: Tracey, Albert Edward Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 27 Quarter: June Year: 1898 District: Lexden County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 328

Emily Jane was away visiting aunty + uncle in 1881: Database: 1881 England Census December 18, 2005 5:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image View Record George King abt 1819 Little Wigborough, Essex, England Head Lexden Mill Cottage, Lexden, Essex, England View Record Susanah King abt 1818 East Mersea, Essex, England Wife Lexden Mill Cottage, Lexden, Essex, England View Record Emily J. Potter abt 1872 Lexden, Essex, England Niece Lexden Mill Cottage, Lexden, Essex, England Dea x

Jess , That was my first thought ,. But there is another Winifred A [Agnes ] born the same year but in West Ham . Does West Bergholt come under Lexdon . .I'm terrible when it comes to reg. districts . Cath

The 1881 clearly says Emma (which may well be Emily of course) but with VERY clear second initial M

Lexden Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Denham; Fordham; Peldon; Stanway; Wivenhoe. GRO volumes : XII (1837-51); 4a (1852-1930). Abberton, Aldham, Birch , Boxted, Brightlingsea (1837-80), Chappel, Copford, Dedham, East Donyland, East Mersea, Easthorpe, Fingringhoe, Fordham, Great Horkesley, Great Tey, Great Wigborough, Inworth (from 1880), Langenhoe, Langham, Layer Breton, Layer de la Haye, Layer Marney, Little Horkesley, Little Tey, Little Wigborough, Marks Tey, Messing (from 1880), Mount Bures, Peldon, Salcot, Stanway, Virley, Wakes Colne,>> West Bergholt,<< West Mersea, Wivenhoe, Wormingford. West ham is probably too far into london - i'd deffo go for the Lexden first

These replies have got me thinking that they are 2 different people now that Emily Jane was at the King household . [ Mothers maiden name ] Emma M must be Emily Jane 's sister Emma was born about 1874 and Emily was born abt 1872 . I willl have to wind my brain up , think it has ran down a bit . How come we can never see what is right under our nose but other people can see it straight away Thanks to every one for there help. Cath

The penny hadnt dropped with me, so your brain must be more alert than mine!

is this possibly Emmas marriage? no dont think so **wRONG EMMA POTTER!! View Record GREENLEAF, James 1883 December Marriages Lexden Essex View Record Potter, Emma 1883 December Marriages Lexden Essex View Record Turff, John Isaiah 1883 December Marriages Lexden Essex Yes , must be your Emma , would have thought, look who is in the same street 1891 Potter, Shadrach D abt 1823 Wakes Colne, Essex, England Head East Donyland Essex Potter, Violet A abt 1865 East Donyland, Essex, England Daughter East Donyland Essex Turff, Emma abt 1858 East Donyland, Essex, England Wife East Donyland Essex Turff, Emma S abt 1887 East Donyland, Essex, England Daughter East Donyland Essex Turff, John E abt 1885 East Donyland, Essex, England Son East Donyland Essex Turff, John J abt 1857 East Donyland, Essex, England Head East Donyland Essex Turff, Violet M abt 1890 East Donyland, Essex, England Daughter East Donyland Essex Given that they too called their daughter violet....

That would be a first Jess you are one of the most alert people i know on here . Thanks for your help sometime we all need a little push in the right direction . Cath

I would think Emma M could well have been married by 1891 and there are a few possibles There is obviously a connection to the marriage you found but look at the dates of birth for Emma. If your Emma born 1874 was married in 1883 - she would only have been 9. This Emma was born much earlier according to the census.!!! Dea x

Dea - think i am going to give up and crawl under a stone somewhere - i've made it fit, havent I ? slap me please! Probably Shad 's own daughter, HELPFULLY ON 1871 Shad is calling himself daniel and doesnt have a daughter Emma!-

No need for a slap Jess - you just got a bit 'carried away' - There still could be some connection but we need to step back a bit and have a think. Dea Xxx

Jess , Don't worry that marriage for Emma could be one of the other 6 Emma Potter's i have from the same branch .. It is a name that has been given to nearly all the female off spring . It's got to be one of mine . Cath

There is a POSSIBLE marriage to work on here in 1894 - In Sudbury - Is that nearby geographically ?? Marriages Dec 1894 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goody Bertie Sudbury 4a 1233 GRIGGS Esther Sudbury 4a 1233 Polter Emma Mary Sudbury 4a 1233 Potter Emma Mary Sudbury 4a 1233 Sparrow David Sudbury 4a 1233 I have traced them onto 1901 and she married David Sparrow - They are all down as born Long Melford but tat could be incorrect. PLUS - I reckon the brother on there - Birt Potton, could well be POTTER. !! Database: 1901 England Census December 18, 2005 6:48 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Match Quality View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Birt Potton abt 1884 Long Melford, Suffolk, England Brother Prittlewell Essex View Record David Sparrow abt 1874 Long Melford, Suffolk, England Head Prittlewell Essex View Record Emma Sparrow abt 1877 Long Melford, Suffolk, England Wife Prittlewell Essex View Record Flossie Sparrow abt 1899 Long Melford, Suffolk, England Daughter Prittlewell Essex View Record Olive Sparrow abt 1892 Long Melford, Suffolk, England Daughter Prittlewell Essex Have a look and let me know what you think. Dea x

Dea , Sorry don,t think that is my Emma as she didn't have a brother called Bert , only George and Frank . Cath Never mind She will turn up eventually

Yes, - I agree - I think I have traced this one back to yet another Emma Potter who WAS born in Long Melford. Warra lorra Potters !!!!!!!!!!!!! Dea

Yes Dea There is and all born in Essex , all ag Labourers This side has been a night mare . My great grandfather Charles Edgar Potter who i found 18 months ago was actually reg Charles Edger Bond not Potter and half of the family were Bonds and the other half Potter , I got so fed up of trying to match them up i left the Potter side .untill 2 weeks ago when by pure luck it all fitted together . Can,t realy complain i have gone from 7 Potter's in my tree to 75 now . The girls and there marraiges will turn up i am sure . Thanks for all your efforts to help . Cath