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Rosalyn Only just seen this thread. Are you sure TgAC should not read TgAG? If so it stands for Telegraphist Air Gunner. In aircraft such as the Swordfish Torpedo bomber there was a crew of 3 - Pilot; Observer, who also did navigation; and TgAG, who worked the radio (using morse) and manned a defensive machine gun. ACM could also stand for Aircraft Mechanic - as the name implies someone who maintains the engines etc on an aircraft. Jerry

On his naval records-on the ships he served on Rosalyn

Hi Rosalyn found this site www(.)hazelgray(.)org/faq/ at the bottom of the page is General Military FAQS - in alphabetical order. don't know if that's what your after but has ACM - Air Combat Maneuvers, ACI - Air Control Interception. Only had a quick look but couldn't find TgAC. Hope that is of some help Jane

rosalyn Where do the letters occur? Ann Glos

just nudging again. I`ve looked on Naval sites -no joy! Rosalyn

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Have got his records from documentsonline .Does anyone know what ACM or ACI or Tg AC is? Rosalyn

Thanks everyone for the replies -now to digest it , Rosalyn

Karen. Cracking answer! :-) Keith

His title reflects the job he did and at what rank he was, (although the name paymaster is normally associated with payments/wages,--- he may not have been anything to do with paying wages,if you read the second section!) !!!!...... This is off the Royal Navy job site.(http://www.rnjobs.co.uk/) Supply Officers From the XIV century to the middle of the XIX century, Supply officers in H.M. Ships were called PURSEERS (as they still are in the merchant navy). Originally they drew no official pay but feathered their nests out of their office; on certain commodities they were allowed to claim one eight (thus a 'passer's pound' was 14 ounces only, and hence the old nick-name of 'Mr. Nipcheese'). No examination as to qualifications was required before 1813 but a surety had to be lodged - as much as £1200 for a big ship. Pursers were Warrant Officers till the latter part of the XVIII century; in 1814 their status was fixed as 'with but after' Lieutenants. Until 1824, the pay of a Purser depended on the class of his ship, but from 1824 to 1852 all pursers drew £7 per month. The rank-title of Paymaster was introduced in 1852; Assistant Paymaster followed in 1855; Fleet Paymaster in 1886. The rank-titles introduced in October, 1918, were Paymaster Rear-Admiral (vice Paymaster Director General), Paymaster Captain (vice Paymaster in Chief), Paymaster Commander (vice Fleet Paymaster), Paymaster Lieutenant-Commander (vice Staff Paymaster), Paymaster Lieutenant (vice Paymaster), Paymaster Sub-Lieutenant (vice Assistant Paymaster), Paymaster Midshipman (vice Clerk) and Paymaster Cadet (vice Assistant Clerk). These titles were changed in October, 1944, when the word Paymaster was deleted and the symbol (S) inserted after the rank; at this time the title of the branch was changed to 'Supply and Secretariat', with the title 'Director-General, Supply and Secretariat Branch' for the head of the branch replacing 'Paymaster Director-General'. The symbol (S) in the rank-titles was dropped in March 1955; white cloth between the rows of gold distinction lace was discontinued at the same time. The curl in the upper gold stripe of distinction lace was authorised for officers of the Accountant branch (and for other non-executive officers) in 1918; at the same time the plain gold braid on the cap-peaks of senior non-executive officers was replaced by embroidered oak=leaves, and the plain gold anchor in their cap-badges replaced by the silver foul anchor. See NIPCHEESE: TIZZY also this second section.............................. (The) Pay Wardroom general nickname for the ship's Supply Officer, from his pre-1944 title of 'Paymaster'. The lower deck counterpart is (was) 'Paybob'. 'The Devil to Pay and No Pitch Hot' Usually shortened to 'The devil to pay', this means 'difficult times are imminent', and so 'trouble is brewing'. Caulking and paying the side of a wooden vessel from devil to waterline was a very difficult and arduous job; unless the supply of pitch was really hot it was made all the more arduous. regards Karen

It is. The Royal Naval Air Service was amalgamated with the Royal Flying Corps in 1918 to form the Royal Air Force. He may have been in, or attached to, the Fleet Air Arm. Regards Keith

I THOUGHT PAYMASTER WAS TO DO WITH WAGES! Rosalyn

I think it is Paymaster . I have a photo of him in his uniform.. He was in the Royal Naval Air Service -Aircraft Carrier , was a Paymaster LT. COMMANDER in Naval Reserve (Register Class) . Do you think he was an accountant? Rosalyn

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Where are these ranks written down? Are they perfectly clear because the navy had a trade of regulator - police and he could have been a Paymaster Lt Commander - (equal to Army Major) Keith

I`ve tried the RNR site and got a reply but not exactly what he did . He was at the docks when he died in 1943. Now his name is on the naval website-it`s Lt. Commander James Thomson Rattray . Also written to Mitchell Library in Glasgow -no reply Rosalyn

Hi Roslyn Just to let you know I am trying - not much success. Have you tried googling his name? It may help. Can I assume the RNR means Royal Navy Reserves. Also approx what year was he at Glasgow Docks. Jane

M y great uncle was a SUB. LIEUTENANT REGISTRAR CLASS. and PAYMENT LT. COMMANDER .Anyone know what they are? M y father said he was in charge of Glasgow Docks - but he wasn`t. He was in RNR Rosalyn