Genealogy Chat

I found a possible death for the 1st wife Elizabeth at the beginning of 1851 Elizabeth Holroyd Year of Registration: 1851 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Leeds (1837-1929) County: West Riding Of Yorkshire Volume: 23 Kate Holroyd also does not belong in my tree... she belongs to a Mary Ann and George Holroyd (Mary Ann's maiden name was not Barker).

From 1861 census Alfred Holroyd abt 1849 Leeds Son Kirkdale Lancashire Frederick Holroyd abt 1820 Halifax Head Kirkdale Lancashire Sarah Ann Holroyd abt 1817 Leeds Wife Kirkdale Lancashire Anne Roeback abt 1843 Leeds Niece Kirkdale Lancashire I can't find Alfred on the 1851 Census though. So it looks like something happened to frederick's first wife and the mother of his children!

There is this marriage after the 1851 census: Marriages Sep 1851 Child Mary Ann Leeds 23 405 >>>Gill Sarah Anne Leeds 23 405 >>>Holroyd Frederick Leeds 23 405 Kirkbride Edmund Leeds 23 405 O'BRIAN Peter Leeds 23 405 >>>Taylor Sarah Leeds 23 405 Wood William Leeds 23 405

How do you know that Alfred's mother was a Sarah? There is also a Alfred with them with the right criteria in the 1851 census. 1841: Township of Stanley: View Record Elizabeth Holroyd abt 1816 Yorkshire, England Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Samuel Holroyd abt 1840 Yorkshire, England Wakefield Yorkshire View Record George Ramsden abt 1821 Yorkshire, England Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Hannah Ramsden abt 1816 Yorkshire, England Wakefield Yorkshire View Record John Ramsden abt 1811 Yorkshire, England Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Ruth Ramsden abt 1776 Yorkshire, England Wakefield Yorkshire

Sorry just had to print the info off to try and piece it all together. Suzanne I'm not the IGI is him..... it's the right name for his father: Frederick but Alfred's mother is Sarah Ann I think. Unless Elizabeth was Frederick's first wife and something happened to her and he married Sarah. Frederick Holroyd (b. 1820 - Halifax) Sarah Ann Holroyd (b.1817 - Leeds) It looks like he is visiting the Ramsdew's for the 1851 census though as the names all fit! You two are both Stars... I was starting to pull my hair out about him. Maybe now I'll be able to find out what he was playing at and why his kids were everywhere else but with him!!

They certainly did like living with rellies didnt they? lol... cant see him easily in 1871? Suzanne

Suzanne I think thats him!! Mary was down on the 1861 census as a railway Porters wife.

On 1861 census for Mary Ann, his wife, it says that her rank/profession/occupation is a Railway Porter's wife. Could this have anything to do with it?

1861: Maybe him???? View Record Caroline Biglin abt 1836 Hull, Yorkshire, England Sister-in-law Liverpool Lancashire View Record Eleanor C Biglin abt 1859 United States Daughter Liverpool Lancashire View Record Ellen R Biglin abt 1839 Llanelly, Caernarvonshire, Wales Brother-in-law Liverpool Lancashire View Record Emma Biglin abt 1833 Hull, Yorkshire, England Wife Liverpool Lancashire View Record Francis W Biglin abt 1838 Paddington, Middlesex, England Brother-in-law Liverpool Lancashire View Record Philip I Biglin abt 1853 Kinsington, Middlesex, England Brother-in-law Liverpool Lancashire View Record Robert B Biglin abt 1860 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Liverpool Lancashire View Record Saml B Holroyd abt 1839 Stanley, Yorkshire, England Cousin Liverpool Lancashire He is a railway clerk and down as Married but no other Holdroyds there?

Not that young. He was 18.

If it is him then he was very young when married: 1851: View Record Thomas Budd abt 1821 Ireland Visitor Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Alfred F Holwyd abt 1849 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Eliza T Holwyd abt 1847 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Frederick Holwyd abt 1819 Sawaby, Yorkshire, England Visitor Wakefield Yorkshire (Widowed) View Record Samuel F R Holwyd abt 1841 Stanley, Yorkshire, England Visitor Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Hannah Ramsdew abt 1821 Stanley, Yorkshire, England Daughter Wakefield Yorkshire View Record Ruth Ramsdew abt 1777 Stanley, Yorkshire, England Head Wakefield Yorkshire (Widowed)

Hi Suzanne... I found that on the 1861 census too and thats what started all the confusion. I just wish they'd all stayed together in one place! Emily I was trying to think of reasons why he wouldn't be at home but surely he should be on a census somewhere. I can't even find him with his brother or parents.

From IGI... dont now if it helps at all, may not be him? SAMUEL FREDERIC ROMSDEN HOLROYD Event(s): Birth: Christening: 29 JAN 1843 Stanley, Yorkshire, England Parents: Father: FREDERIC HOLROYD Mother: ELIZABETH Sibling of above: 1. RUTH ELIZABETH HOLROYD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 29 JAN 1843 Stanley, Yorkshire, England

Samuel according to the death index was born about 1842 but I don't know where. His brother Alfred was born in Knostrop, Leeds, Yorkshire

I had a case like this in my tree, where the wife was the head of the family but not widowed. It turned out that her husband went to live with his sister because he had gone blind, and the wife ran the household and looked after the children.

1861: View Record Angelina Barker abt 1804 Kelsey, Lincolnshire, England Wife Sculcoates Yorkshire View Record Angelina Barker abt 1843 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates Yorkshire View Record William Barker abt 1802 Kirby Moor Side, Yorkshire, England Head Sculcoates Yorkshire View Record William H Barker abt 1845 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates Yorkshire >>>>View Record Margaret A Holroyd abt 1860 Hull, Yorkshire, England Visitor Sculcoates Yorkshire >>>>View Record Mary A Holroyd abt 1840 Hull, Yorkshire, England Visitor Sculcoates Yorkshire

Samuel was married in Hull in 1859. Name: Samuel Frederick Holroyd Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Hull County: East Riding Of Yorkshire, Humberside Volume: 9d Page: 409 He died in Leeds Name: Samuel Frederick Holroyd Birth Date: abt 1842 Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 39 District: Leeds (1837-1929) County: West Riding Of Yorkshire Volume: 9b Page: 347

When was Mary born? and do you know where Samuel was born or when?

Do you know where Samuel was born?

Hi folks I have trawled the census' looking for a family and have found mum and children on most of them but nver mum and dad together even though according to Yorkshire BMD they married in 1859. Dad's name is Samuel Frederick Holroyd Mum's name is Mary Ann Holroyd (nee. Barker) Margaret Ann Holroyd was born 1861 in Hull, yorkshire William Frederick B Holroyd was born 1863 in Hull, Yorkshire Martha Holroyd was born 1869 in Bury, Lancashire Harry Holroyd was born in 1871 in Hull, Yorkshire Kate Holroyd was born in 1876 in Hull, Yorkshire On the 1871 census Margaret and William are with there Grandmother Angelina Barker On the 1881 census Harry and Martha are with mum and a granddaughter Florence Holroyd (b.1879) has appeared (not sure who she belongs to yet!) on the 1881 census Margaret is with her uncle Alfred Holroyd (b.1849) which I think is Samuel's brother. But where is Samuel?! (I think he died just before the 1881 census). And why did the children keep moving about! Any help appreciated.... Kimberley