Genealogy Chat

Ada & Charles are on the 1901 census as living at Blenheim Cres - I think that's what it says. Ada Heaton YOB approx 1874 birthplace Battersea Charles W Heaton YOB approx 1875 birth place Camden Ada Heaton death entry 1941 age 66 Charles Heaton death entry 1946 age 72 Cannot find them on any other census other than what you have pointed out. Ada's age on marriage certificate is listed as full age and Charles as 22. It was believed that Ada had a brother called Edward Gantlett...

I love your optomistic outlook, it makes my natural cynicism work overtime! My theory re Charles Willis becoming Charles Willis Heaton is based on a. Charles and Mary in the 1891 census with the TILT family. b. That a Mary Willis appears to have married a man named Charles Heaton in the right part of London c. That the Charles Heaton is a draughtsman d. That the wife of Charles Heaton, the draughtsman, is born in Hampshire in c1845. e. I assume that you have been unable to find Cahrles Willis Heaton in the 1891 census (or earlier). So comparing these bits of evidence (or lucky coincidences) with the girl Ada. Have you found her in the 1901 census. this will give a place and year of birth. Does this year of birth tally with the marriage certificate and does it tally with any Ada in the 1891 census. I am not saying that the Ada on the 1891 census is wrong - just show me some evidence to support the case. I may get a chance tomorrow to look into this further, but until then Goodnight Pete

Oh how confusing!! So what do you reckon in your expert opinion about Ada M? Do you think that is one and the same person? Are there set rules that you follow for 'assuming' that this has happened. How can I ever safely say that they are all the same people?

The Post Office London directory is one of several on the Historical Directories website. http://www.historicaldirectories.org

so, Charles Willis became the stepson of Charles Heaton in 1893 when his widowed mother married. So Charles Willis became Charles Willis Heaton Incidentally, Charles Heaton (the older one!) was a draftsman by occupation.

Thank you for all your help with this Pete. I think there is a very strong possibility it is Ada and Charles and might explain why I cannot find a birth entry for them but why would their names have been changes so drastically? I have access to the census through ancestry but always have trouble reading the occupations and addresses. Is there an easier way of doing this? Ada is listed as living at number 45 with and Edward Hunt as father. Her marriage certificate says her father is Edward Gantlett. Maybe the same person? What is the London Post Office Directory? Can anyone access it?

Do you think that Mary Willis could have married a HEATON. Check out the 1901 census: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County Chas Heaton abt 1842 Suffolk, England Head Kensington London Mary Heaton abt 1844 Hampshire, England Wife Kensington London Source information: RG13/28 Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 55 Folio: 79 Page: 8 FreeBMd has the marriage Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1893 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaton Charles Kensington 1a 306 Willis Mary Jane Kensington 1a 306

Another interesting thing about the TILT family ........ In the 1891 census they have two servants living with them. Mary J Willis age 45 Widow, born Stockbridge, Hampshire, General Servant Charles E Willis age 16 born Camden, London, Occupation Page Now could this be Charles Willis Heaton some 6 years later???? Do you have access to the census to check the images for yourself? Pete

I've just seen an Ada M Hunt on the 1891 census you were talking about....

Pete!!! How clever you are!! I have just read the marriage certifcate again and one of the witness surnames is Tilt. It's funny how you cannot read the writing until someone suggest something! Still not sure about the connection though as he is listed as a Draughtsman and she does not have an occupation on the marriage certificate.

Could they have been employed by the TILT family? Without knowing the occupations of the bride and groom I could be barking up the wrong tree here. It appears that the Tilt family had live-in servants. Pete

Thank you everybody. The people in question were a Charles Willis Heaton and an Ada Mary Gantlett so don't know what their connection to the Tilts are? Maybe they were lodging there?

The Post Office London Directory of 1895 has Henry TILT at 49 Blenheim Crescent. The 1901 census entry for the address is: Agathe Tilt abt 1841 Potivy Mobihon Wife Kensington London H R M Tilt abt 1850 St Pancras, London, England Head Kensington London Source information: RG13/29 Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED: 58 Folio: 15 The TILT family were also there in 1891. Source information: RG12/27 Registration district: Kensington Sub registration district: Kensington Town ED: 47 Folio: 23 Page: 58 Page: 21

I agree with Kate - try local library. I had amazing luck with a similar enquiry at a local studies library - I eventually met someone who was researching the whole road my family had lived in. She knew about every family! Well worth a try - so easy to email. Jacquie

The church is unlikely to have any extra information. You could try the electoral roll, but not so many people had the vote in those days. Also, you could try looking at a street directory to see if anybody is listed at that address. I don't think that the Historical Directories website has much for London in the 1890's, though, so you might have to look at the London Metropolitan Archives or a library or local record office in London. Kate.

Ahh right - thank you. Do you think the church would have anymore information other than what I have on the marriage certificate? This couple are giving me one big headache. Can find their marriage and their deaths and their record on the 1901 census but no births and no mention of them or their families prior to 1891. I have posted messages on here before but nobody could find them. Any suggestions?

I think it was probably so they only had to have the banns read in one parish - probably cheaper. I have quite a few marriage certificates where the bride and groom give the same address. Kath. x

My Grandparents marriage cert also has them at the same address. Don't know why but it appears to have been quite common. Maybe for convenience? They can' t all have been 'living over the brush' !!

I have obtained a marriage certificate and it gives the bride and grooms address as the same address which is 49 Blenheim Crescent. I believe that this was in the Notting Hill area as the church they were married in was also in this area. I was just surprised that they were living at the same address and wondered whether there are any records that you could search to find out more about this?