Genealogy Chat

Ive trawled oz white pages,phoned about 50 people,looked at classified and notice archive records from the Sydney Morning Herald,phoned the solicitor that the family used in the 1970's-they said they dont keep records that long- have their adresses from 1975 in Sydney-they have disappeared-looked on USA SSI-nothing- googled their names -nothing.......any pointers from you ozzie people would be appreciated-details below.

Harold C. Smith born 1912ish Liverpool England (C= Cain) Beryl L. Barrett(sp?) 1910 ish Australian born. married 1935 in Toowoomba. They had at least 2 children,boy and girl. Boy= Harold B. Smith (B= Barrett) called barry. Girl=? born round 1940-1950 Both called Barrett-Smith as surname. Lived in Sydney Parents loved bowls(have phoned almost 20 bowling clubs long established near their addresses-no luck) They had a patent for a valve supposedly called the Cain-Smith valve and were interested in extending it to Europe in the 1970's.(cant find any mention of this on net) A tyre business was mentioned (?)-have contacted businesses in this sphere in Sydney-no recollection. Adresses in Sydney were in Penant Hills area and they had a few bob.No longer at the 2 addresses given and have phoned people in the street-no luck. Have had trouble working out how to find who has died etc-or where Barry might be-have considered the possibility of them going to thye states,but the family had been there a long time.

This seems to be the valve, for what it's worth: http://v3.espacenet*com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=GB1249543&F=0 (replace asterisk with dot)

Beryl Barrett born 1896 in Cobar, NSW, parents George H Barrett and Margaretta M Higgins, married Blayney, 1895.

awesome mary-but cant get the link.

Sorry, I've fixed it. Hard to find any more information from the NSW BMD index, because births only go up to 1905, marriages to 1955 and deaths to 1975. No Barrett-Smiths that I can see in the Ryerson death index.

got there eventually-trying another browser- found 2 refs -a GB application and a US one in 1971

They may have moved to a different State. There's a Rhonda Barrett-Smith at Curtin University in Perth.

yes i was trying to relocate that name-i think shes a lecturer- having got the patent link if you click on legal details- it shows who the patent has passed on to and i can only assume from the dates given that harold died in 1985.....it also gives a name -Frances ann Burke-thats the daughter i couldnt remember- no mention of the son-interesting-and also it goes to court and the patent is now under corporate ownership.

Which area was his last-known address?

OK, found him - I'd forgotten the unusual middle name: This is a summary of the obituary from the Sydney Morning Herald: SMITH,Harold Cain 31OCT1978 67 Death late of Epping 02NOV1978 SMH http://www.rootsweb*com/~nswsdps/ausds277.htm

sydney -penant hills area

i tried smh website-how did you get that?

From the Ryerson Index, at the address I've linked to.

The cain part is from his mother called Annie Cain-irish family who came to liverpool and started the cain brewery which is still going now-in name only.His wife Beryl was a snob,Smith was too common ,lol.... so poor old harold died 3 years after his brother did in sydney-how strange because the last contact was at his brothers funeral -my nan went over there- and they didnt bother contacting anyone ??.....bizarre .

Families can be very weird.

really appreciate this mary.......

Do I win a prize? A share of the patent royalties would do... :-)

I can't find a death for either of the children, so they're probably either still alive or not in NSW.

ive been told that the son was the boss but he isnt named in 1985 on the patent applications ... my nans 3 brothers -2 went to oz-one lived nearby-she was never told when either harold or one nearby died ....wierd