Genealogy Chat

Found this one in Staffs in 1861 - is it anywhere near Wolverhampton ?? (No - just checked the map!!) Albert Dean abt 1858 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Son Brieryhurst Staffordshire Caroline Dean abt 1831 Audley, Staffordshire, England Wife Brieryhurst Staffordshire David Dean abt 1857 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Son Brieryhurst Staffordshire Eliza Dean abt 1855 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Daughter Brieryhurst Staffordshire Emily Dean abt 1860 Talk 'O the Hill, Staffordshire, England Daughter Brieryhurst Staffordshire George Dean abt 1828 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Head Brieryhurst Staffordshire Hannah Dean abt 1852 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Brieryhurst Staffordshire George collier

I've got it Merry :( George 'Labourer' Not on IGI ( I know it's not complete ) census is a no no before they got married. I know it's possible that there are mistakes/mistranscriptons (fibs) etc So I guess at the moment I'm trying to go for a process of elimenation.

Buy the marriage cert and get father's name and occ.......should help? Merry

Apologies I have this silly habit of typing 1885 instead of 1855 *dopey typist* I'll amend original message You wouldn't think I had an ancient CSE in typing *rolleyes* ( I'll amend the original record) Hence I tried to order the 1885 one off the Gro.... Born 1855 Wolverhampton Married to Caroline Fensom ( In Bedford 1883) - Have cert and census after that. 1901 census age 47 so approx 1854 birth 1891 Census age 36 so approx 1854 birth 1883 Marriage cert aged 30 so approx 1853 birth I'm wondering if that Barton Under Needwood ( Birth Reg might be worth a go? I can't find anything mentioning a parish that I could narrow down and wonder if he said Wolverhampton being a large place that someone else would know when filling out forms? Cheers Anne! Why do I get the feeling he's sticking out his tounge at me and waggling his fingers in his ears! lol. Females in my tree are far easier to find! They just keep saying *cooee over here* Thank you all! Please keep any other ideas coming if you have any

Barton under needwood is just up the road from me, it is in staffordshire, comes under Burton-upon -Trent, if thats any help. Anne.B

Oops, sorry, I must be mixing up Wolverhampton with Wellington - I have family in both.

Can't see YOUR David in 1881, but this looks like the Red Herring born in Barton: William David Dean Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Where Born: Barton, Lancashire, England Street address: 15 Worsley Road Barton Upon Irwell Lancs Married Occupation: Slate And Timber Merchant Employing 2 Boys Source information: RG11/3883 Folio: 85 Page: 27 Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell Sub registration district: Barton

1901 Name: David Dean Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Bedford St Paul Ecclesiastical parish: Bedford St Paul Town: Bedford Registration district: Bedford Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington Source information: RG13/1493 Folio: 97 Page: 48

Very confused.....I thought he married in 1883??? But then you said you found a birth in 1885?? Was it his dad who married in 1883?? (Nope.....that doesn't make sense either!!) LOL UPDATE - Mary, isn't Wolverhampston in Staffordshire???????? Merry

I was wondering that. I assume Sharon meant his parents married in 1883.

How can he be born 1885 when you said marriage 1883? very confused now!

Births Sep 1885 Dean David Wolverhampton 6b 586 Wolverhampton's in Shropshire :-)

Page on Barton under Needwood on Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/BartonUnderNeedwood/index.html and it would be in Burton on Trent reg district: BURTON UPON TRENT REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : Staffordshire.. Created : 1.7.1837. Sub-districts : Burton upon Trent; Gresley; Repton; Tutbury. GRO volumes : XVII (1837-51); 6b (1852-1930). Parishes in Derbyshire (1837-1930): Ash, Barton Blount, Bearwardcote, Bretby, Burnaston, Caldwell, Castle Gresley, Catton, Church Broughton, Church Gresley, Coton in the Elms, Dalbury Lees, Drakelow, Egginton, Erwall, Findern, Foremark, Foston, Hargate Manor, Hatton, Hilton, Hoon, Ingleby, Linton, Lullington, Marston upon Dove, Mickleover, Newton Solney, Osleton and Thurvaston, Radbourne, Repton, Rolleston (1837-1903), Rosliston, Stanton and Newhall, Stapenhill (1837-94), Sutton on the Hill, Swadlincote, Trusley, Twyford and Stenson, Walton upon Trent, Willington, Winshill (1837-94). Parishes in Staffordshire (1837-1930): Anslow, Barton under Needwood, Branstone, Burton Extra, Burton upon Trent, Dunstall, Hanbury, Horninglow, Outwoods, Rolleston, Scropton, Stapenhill, Stretton, Tatenhill, Tutbury, Winshill, Wychnor. Registers now divided between East Staffordshire and Derby districts.

8c is Barton Lancs. Sylvia

Wolverhampton and other reg districts in Staffordshire are 6b. 8c is Lancashire - Barton is a reg district there: BARTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : Lancashire. Created : 1.10.1934 (previously part of Barton upon Irwell, Salford and Manchester North districts). Sub-districts : Eccles; Stretford; Swinton; Urmston. GRO volumes : 8c (1934-46); 10B (1946-74) Registers now divided between Salford and Trafford districts. Info from lists on Genuki.

Or the general link for finding out what was in which District... http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/ Christine

You can look for yourself on www.streetmap*co.uk replace * with . You can zoom in or out of maps. alternatively you can look on the Staffordshire section of Genuki. www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/

Great Grandpa David Dean *reckoned* he was born in Wolverhampton Staffordshire. Marriage 1883 Census 1891 Census 1901 He is missing before then....... I've searched and gone page by page through the Births on Ancestory ( with some help from Mr Grubb on GR), and found a David right year 1855 but born in Barton. 8c 399 on the Records Board someone mentioned ages ago, a Barton Under Needwood, Staffordshire. Now would these be the same Barton? Is it in or near Wolverhampton? Just wondering if he would have put a big near town on his marriage and census records, considering he had moved away to Bedfordshire? Or am I completely barking up the wrong tree? I've not found anything else either side Thankyou ! Sharon

See below. x The 1885 year should be 1855 Sorry..... x