Genealogy Chat

I wish to thank Reg and Merry for their help yesterday, I am most grateful to you both. Lynda

I think he has lied about his age on the marriage cert, but it does state aged 26 yrs in 1915. I wonder what connection the McGrath family have with the Clifft family ? I've not heard the name before

This one is 1891...........I'm doubtful, but you may know the other names in the household............ Name: Joseph Cliff Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where Born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Walsall Foreign Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Source information: RG12/2255 Registration district: Walsall Sub registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Folio: 120 Page: 19 The rest of the household............ Martin McGrath abt 1835 Ireland Head Walsall Foreign Staffordshire View Record Mary McGrath abt 1834 Ireland Wife Walsall Foreign Staffordshire View Record Patrick McGrath abt 1871 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire View Record Sebina McMully abt 1857 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Visitor Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Reg

Joseph was born c1887, according to 1901 census......not c1889. Reg

found a death for Joseph's 1st wife Zilpah Sept Q 1889 in Walsall, also James b sept Q 1889, d sept Q 1889. Did Joseph b 1889 have a twin brother. Still can't find him on 1891 census Lynda

But where is joseph b 1889 for the 1891 census ? ? did his mother die in childbirth??

i wish to thank everyone who has helped me today. I am truely grateful. BIG THANKS to you all Lynda

I have a fiche with some Wombourne Baptisms: 1860 25th March.....Joseph Clifft son of William and Anne Clifft, of Wombourne (labourer) Merry

Parents etc in 1881 Ann Cliff abt 1831 Bager, Shropshire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire View Record Charles Cliff abt 1874 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire View Record George Cliff abt 1867 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire View Record James Cliff abt 1870 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire View Record William Cliff abt 1827 Codsall, Staffordshire, England Head West Bromwich Staffordshire And in 1891...........the younger William is possibly Joseph's brother........see 1901 Ann Clifft abt 1831 Badger, Shropshire, England Wife Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire View Record Charles Clifft abt 1873 Wombourne, Staffordshire, England Son Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire View Record William Clifft abt 1827 Codsall, Staffordshire, England Head Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire View Record William Clifft abt 1884 Oaken, Staffordshire, England Grandson Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire Reg

1861 Ann Clifft abt 1831 Bekbury, Shropshire, England Wife Wombourne Staffordshire View Record Hannah Clifft abt 1854 Shifnal, Shropshire, England Daughter Wombourne Staffordshire View Record Joseph Clifft abt 1860 Wombourne, Staffordshire, England Son Wombourne Staffordshire View Record William Clifft abt 1827 Codsal, Staffordshire, England Head Wombourne Staffordshire View Record William Clifft abt 1856 Codsal, Shropshire, England Son Wombourne Staffordshire Reg

Joseph snr in 1871 Ann Clifft abt 1830 Bardger Heath, Shropshire, England Wife Wombourne Staffordshire View Record Emma Clifft abt 1867 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wombourne Staffordshire View Record George Clifft abt 1869 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son Wombourne Staffordshire View Record James Clifft abt 1871 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son Wombourne Staffordshire View Record Joseph Clifft abt 1860 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son Wombourne Staffordshire View Record Mary Clifft abt 1863 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wombourne Staffordshire View Record Samuel Clifft abt 1865 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son Wombourne Staffordshire View Record William Clifft abt 1826 Codsall, Staffordshire, England Head Wombourne Staffordshire View Record William Clifft abt 1854 Codsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Son Wombourne Staffordshire Reg

His marriage to Louisa Joseph Clifft 1891 Apr-May-Jun Walsall Staffordshire View Record Louisa Morriss 1891 Apr-May-Jun Walsall Staffordshire Reg

This is Joseph snr in 1891......he is a widower Joseph Clifft abt 1860 Wombourne, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Reg

If you wish us to try to find Gertrude, we'll need her father's details......... Reg

1901 perhaps? Ethel Clifft abt 1894 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire View Record George Clifft abt 1892 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire View Record James Clifft abt 1900 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire View Record Joseph Clifft abt 1860 Wombaune, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Staffordshire View Record Joseph Clifft abt 1887 Trysall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire View Record Louisa Clifft abt 1864 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England Wife Walsall Staffordshire View Record May Clifft abt 1898 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire View Record William Clifft abt 1884 Codsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire View Record Albert Moris abt 1888 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Stepson Walsall Staffordshire View Record Elsie Moris abt 1887 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Stepdaughter Walsall Staffordshire Address: 49, Navigation Street Head's occ: Puddler, Iron Works Reg

PM rec'd............... Married 25th May 1915 Joseph CLIFFT aged 26 yrs to gertrude May WILLETTS aged 19 yrs in Walsall Staffs.His fathers name on the cert was Joseph CLIFFT an ironworker. Have found one possible birth ?? Joseph CLIFT sept q 1889 in Stourbridge Staffs Regards Lynda

We need names, and places and years of birth......... Reg

help needed with a 1891 & 1901 look up in staffs area, am hitting brick walls. Joseph Clifft b c 1889 sept Q ?? walsall or stourbridge staffs. cannot find him on either census Married Gertrude May Willetts 25th May 1915 in Walsall Father on marriage cert Joseph Clifft an ironworker Gertrude May Willetts b c 1897 Linley Cottages Daw End Rushall Staffs d/o Joseph L willetts b 1866 and Mary b 1871 Have found the death of joseph's father's 1st wife Zilpah in sept Q 1889 Walsall, also a James Clifft b 1889 and d 1889, could Joseph have a twin ?