Genealogy Chat

Yes - I'm sure it ends in a W.. Informant was mother. Will go for Alice's marriage cert in 72 and Agnes Beatrice's marriage cert to see what they say Thanks for all the help - now to find your next challenge (I have found all the easy ones!!) How about James Richard KRAFFT in 1881??? Peter (lol)

Do you think so???? I have looked and looked, but I can't make it say widow!! I think it looks like ''Marr'd'', same as James the head of the following household. There are two widows further down.....Clara Shargood and Lucy Clarke.....the ''W'' seems different to me... In any case.....can't flippin' find him anytime, anyplace, anywhere! On the birth cert for Agnes Beatrice you said the informant was A Deacon. Was that the mother or the father? Merry

Thanks Merry Also, thanks to Elizabeth, I have seen the original 1871 census - and I would say that it shows Alice Deacon as a widow. The word definitely ends in a w and doesn't look like the married elsewhere on the page - now looking for a death between conception and census....and there isn't one for any Deacon who remotely fits! Peter

24 Palmerston St, Battersea, 1871: John Franks abt 1842 Suffolk, England Head Battersea Surrey John Wm Franks abt 1870 Battersea, Surrey, England Son Battersea Surrey Maria Franks abt 1843 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Wife Battersea Surrey Mary Lamb abt 1815 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Visitor Battersea Surrey Jane Saunders abt 1841 Huntingdonshire, England Wife Battersea Surrey Martha Jane Saunders abt 1870 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Battersea Surrey Mary Saunders abt 1861 Boston, Huntingdonshire, England Daughter Battersea Surrey William Saunders abt 1866 London, Middlesex, England Son Battersea Surrey William Henry Saunders abt 1842 Huntingdonshire, England Head Battersea Surrey George Robinson abt 1834 Scotland Head Battersea Surrey Sarah Jane Robinson abt 1859 Bristol Daughter Battersea Surrey Triplena Robinson abt 1841 Penzance, Cornwall, England Wife Battersea Surrey Three families. Merry

Peter, Don't give up yet, it is possible that that year has not yet been transcribed.

Thanks If I hadnt been asleep I could have joined in and helped(especially as I can't tell my William/Thomas apart---sorry for the red herring. Still hasn't answered the question of who was at 24 Palmerston STREET which is given as the place of birth - I was hoping to get a clue from that. Help is much appreciated - will PM Elizabeth with my email address I still don't believe Alice mar Deacon - no marriage in BMD Thanks again Peter

lol.....Just realised she was Beatrice in 1881: 1871: Beatrice Deacon abt 1869 Battersea Granddaughter Chelsea St Luke London Charles Elmer abt 1854 Brompton Son Chelsea St Luke London Louisa Elmer abt 1856 Chelsea Daughter Chelsea St Luke London Sarah Elmer abt 1829 Chelsea Head Chelsea St Luke London Merry

Ah....1872!!!!!!!!!!!! lol, so after the census, and Wm not Thos!!! That's def the right family!! So, that explains the 1871 census. Thanks Jim.....I wondered about that! I wonder where baby Agnes is in 1871?? I didn't really look that hard for her..... Merry

Just checking. I found a marriage in 1872 to a William? 1881 census View Record Alfred Freeman abt 1877 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Son Chelsea London View Record Alice Freeman abt 1849 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Wife Chelsea London View Record Beatrice Freeman abt 1870 Battersea, Surrey, England Daughter Chelsea London View Record Eleanor Freeman abt 1880 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Daughter Chelsea London View Record Francis Freeman abt 1879 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Son Chelsea London View Record Jessie Freeman abt 1875 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Daughter Chelsea London View Record William Freeman abt 1846 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Head Chelsea London

So glad you did Merry. I've only had the Ancestry thing a month, still finding my way around. But thanks to you I know how to accidentally copy info.

Oops.....didn't mean to muscle in on your look-up, Elizabeth! Apologies :o(( Merry

Peter I found the same as Merry. Gee that makes me feel good! I can send you the image if you send me your email address. I've saved the Palmerston St as well.

Hi Peter......there is something very ODD going on with your 1871 census problem!!! I found Palmerston Terrace by locating it on the address search in 1881 and then looking to see who was aged 10 and born in Battersea.....turned up one match....an Emily Tudor. Luckily she was living in the same street in 1871. That was the easy bit!! You implied that Alice Elmes married Thomas Freeman in 1870 (ie before the 1871 census....is that right? I couldn't see this marriage) The problem is this (if Alice was already Mrs Freeman)......in Palmerston Terrace in 1871 lives this household: Alice Deacon abt 1848 Brompton, Middlesex, England Head Battersea Surrey Agnes Elm abt 1844 Brompton, Middlesex, England Visitor Battersea Surrey Alice shows as married, but her husband is not at home. The ''coincidence'' of the visitor being called Elm (unmarried dressmaker, and named Agnes.....baby named for her???!!) is too much, surely? So, is it a coincidence, or not? They are at 10 Palmerston Terrace. This road only seems to go up to number 12. I can't find baby Agnes in 1871...... Merry

Elixzabeth =would be appreciated if you could Background - I have a Birth cert for Agnes Beatrice Deacon b 30 9 1869 at 24 Palmerston Street to Alice Deacon formerly Elmes and Augustus Deacon (printer). Informant A Deacon 15(looks like) Palmerston TERRACE Battersea. I don't think Alice was actually married - cant find an Augustus Deacon that fits and she marries the next year as Alice elmes to Thomas Freeman - have them together with Agnes Beatrice in 1881 - looking for addressas I am clutching at straws. Peter

Peter, Do you have Ancestry. If not, I'm happy to look for you. I haven't had it long so might be tomorrow (Oz time)

Peter, Another way is to Ancestry and click on the 1871 cenus. Select Surrey and then choose Battersea or Battersea St Mary. You can view the description of the enumeration districts to see which roads are covered. You can also do an address search on 1881. Rose

I would go to 1837 online, you can do an address search on the 1861 census, then use the name of the people at that address and or other people living in the street to search the 1871 census and once you have the street on the 1871 you can page forward and back to find the house you are looking for. another way that i have used before is to just put the place name and a common first name in the search box once you have got the correct census place go to View description of enumeration district and read through all of these untill you have the correct district then search through the pages untill you find the address, this is the hard way to search but sometimes it's the only way. Roy

Is there a way of finding who was living at 24 Palmerston Street, Battersea at the time of the 1871 census? Peter