Genealogy Chat

Hi...any help would be very much appreciated... My great great grandfather George Topham From Chesterfield Derbyshire b1858c....was Married to Mary Anne Redfern b1858c i think also in derbyshire....i cant find her birth details or who her parents were...i am hoping my findings will link me to ireland if not from her parents generation then their parents.... Thanks Heidi x

Heidi is that definately Rebfern not Redfern?

apologies...it should be redfern.... Basically we have always been told of an irish connection....i cannot find one anywhere in my tree which goes back to 1654....and trying to find the link elswhere...which is proving to b a bigger haystack xx

you mean Mary Anne Redfern jeanette

HEIDIE heres their marriage Mary Ann Redfern 1874 Jan-Feb-Mar Chesterfield Derbyshire and George Topham 1874 Jan-Feb-Mar Chesterfield Derbyshire what about this in 1871 Registration district: Derby Sub-registration district: St Alkmund ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Elizabeth Redfern 14 Emma Redfern 26 Henry Redfern 19 Joseph Redfern 55 Martha Redfern 12 Mary Redfern 50 MARY A REDFERN 16 William Redfern 23 1861 Registration district: Derby Sub-registration district: St Alkmund ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 89 Household Members: Edward Redfern 11 Elizabeth Redfern 4 Emma Redfern 16 Harriet Redfern 19 Henry Redfern 9 Joseph Redfern 44 Martha Redfern 1 Mary Redfern 40 MARY ANN REDFERN 6 William Redfern 13 1851 Registration district: Derby Sub-registration district: St Alkmund ED, institution, or vessel: 4f Household schedule number: 143 Household Members: Edward Redfern 1 Emma Redfern 7 Harriett Redfern 11 Joseph Redfern 35 Joseph Redfern 12 Mary Redfern 31 William Redfern 4 debs

could this be her birth? Mary Ann Redfern Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Derby County: Derbyshire Volume: 7b Page: 375 (click to see others on page)

thank you guys....for your help....i am trying to find her parents and where they were born but i cant find her on earlier census...any ideas? x

1871 birth places Elizabeth Redfern abt 1857 St Alkmunds, Derbyshire, England Daughter All Saints Derbyshire View Record Emma Redfern abt 1845 All Saints, Derbyshire, England Daughter All Saints Derbyshire View Record Henry Redfern abt 1852 All Saints, Derbyshire, England Son All Saints Derbyshire View Record Joseph Redfern abt 1816 Shirland, Derbyshire, England Head All Saints Derbyshire View Record Martha Redfern abt 1859 St Alkmunds, Derbyshire, England Daughter All Saints Derbyshire View Record Mary Redfern abt 1821 St Peter, Derbyshire, England Wife All Saints Derbyshire View Record Mary A Redfern abt 1855 St Alkmunds, Derbyshire, England Daughter All Saints Derbyshire View Record William Redfern abt 1848 All Saints, Derbyshire, England Son All Saints Derbyshire

If you get her marriage cert it will give father on there might be easier to find on earlier census's Jeanette

thank you janeatte.... any extra help would also b appreciated xx

Heidi I can find the family group of Joseph and Mary Redfern in the 1851 and 1861 by searching for Joseph Redfern born in 1816 (give or take two years) living in Derbyshire. More interestingly they can be found in 1841 in All Saints Derbyshire. The family are listed as: Joseph Redfean 25 Mary Redfean 20 Joseph Redfean

thank you for your time catherine...xx I have now actually found Josephs Brithdate and more of his family going back further so no link there to Ireland....I Have not as of yet found the Mary;s maiden name which without the Cert i Am finding it difficult...i have the marriage date etc now thanks to others...but unfrotunatly i at the moment cant afford to go down that road xx

Heidi I can find the family group of Joseph and Mary Redfern in the 1851 and 1861 by searching for Joseph Redfern born in 1816 (give or take two years) living in Derbyshire. Mary Ann's father Joseph is listed as being from Shirland, Derbyshire in all census'. Mary is listed as from St Peters, Derbyshire More interestingly they can be found in 1841 in All Saints Derbyshire. The family are listed as: Joseph Redfean 25 Mary Redfean 20 Joseph Redfean 3 Ann Topham 1801 Thomas Topham 1791 Thomas Topham 1821 These Tophams were butchers and born in Derbyshire. A Joseph Redfern marries in Mar 1838 in Derby, just in time for Joseph' birth? There is a Mary Cotton on the same page. Derby vol19 p355. In the FamilySearch website there is a listing for the birth of Joseph Redfern in Shirlands, Derbyshire on 19 Oct 1817. Father is George Redfern and mother is Sarah (twin) Bower. They have eight children. George was born in 1791 and was christened on 30/3/1788 in Bonsall, Derby (a bit of an anomally with the birth year) father is Thomas Refern mother Hannah Redfern. He died on 5/6/1847 in Higham, Derby. He was buried on the 11/6/1849 (again a bit of an anomally in the listed years. This information goes back generations. They have a pedigree family listing on familysearch.org. If you need help using the website let me know. Hope this helps Catherine

Catherine...xxxx I knew the latter part as i have found all this out this evening...which annoyed me as no Irish link lol.... However i did come up in Family Search Mary cotton so it seems like ur find was the same as mine.... I am Somewhat confused...how Are the Tophams related to the redferns in 1841...as My gggf George married Mary A redfern as says my original message? xx

Not sure if they were related or just families living together, unfortunately the 1841 census doesnt give a relationship. Its possible that they were old family friends and thats how they came to marry - interesting find though! Catherine

Actually you should thank your lucky stars there is no Irish connectiopn because that is on b ending in d of a job to find any information on! C

Catherine yes it is very interesting....thank you for ur help....I just spoke to my dad and said i have tried all i know to find the Irish link ( Collins) is my family line so have been using other names to find the link.....Ironic thing is I am the only one born in N irleand....so as much as they have ever thougth they may have been told as kids maybe i am the one and only LOL xx

Chesterfield is a long way from Derby. Is this the George Topham who's a grocer in Whittington in 1881? His wife Mary Ann is given as age 27, born Staveley, which is near Chesterfield. 1861 has a Mary Ann Redfern age 6 born and living in Staveley.