Genealogy Chat

hi...i`ve tried for 3 years to find the date and place of the death of my g.grandfather...his name was william edward oakes and he was born in 1877 in garston,liverpool(garston wasn`t part of liverpool until 1926)...he married sophia sacht from garston,born 1878...they had 9 children...daniel(my grandad) b 1900,the eldest..then mary-adelaide-william-ruth-olive-winnifred-paul-evan...all born in garston.....my dad,who died this year aged 80 ,told me he never knew his grandad(william edward oakes)and thought he died at sea,but wasn`t sure...i`ve tried the 1st world war records and merchant navy records ,but have found no records of his death....anyone got any tips???....regards...allan oakes

Hi, have you searched through all the images of the BMD death index's up to 1926 ish ? Pen x

In 1901, sophia is with her parents Carl Sacht (mariner) and Mary Ellen Sacht. Daniel is there age 1 and Mary Eleen 3 mths. No sign of William E

You can search marine deaths on familyrelatives.org - free at the moment.

There's a possible here: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2972832 Anyone know what 'rank: mussuljer' means?

hi...thanks all...been down all these avenues.....nothing during war years....mary....it was a job looking after mules to carry amunition during ww1.(mulateer)..unfortunately that WW1 w e oakes was from manchester ...not my g.grandfather....regards...allan

Maybe they went their seperate ways - pre 1926 and he died sometime later. I have a couple that seperated and it was only the fact that he had such an unusual name that I was able to locate his death record. Very best of luck, I'm sure someday you will get that lucky break Pen x

To try and narrow it down a bit: When was the last child born, and is his father named on the birth certificate? When did his wife die, is she shown as a widow on the cert, and who registered the death?

hi mary.....still plenty of oakes`s in garston area who are ancestors of w.e.oakes....everyone seems to think he was killed/lost at sea...but no-one seems to know when or where...thanks....allan

hi....just been on lancashire bmd and familysearch and from 1911 to 1952 ,there`s nothing on william edward oakes or sophia oakes for their deaths...can.anyone explain why ...regards allan

thanks moira....just a bit puzzled as to why i can`t find either of their deaths......regards...allan

thanks susan...i noticed that this morning...regards...allan

BMDs have only been transcribed up to about 1915 (you can look at the FreeBMD and LancsBMD sites to see the exact coverage). The only way of finding deaths after that is to trawl through the images on Ancestry, quarter by quarter, as Penny said in the first reply on this thread. If you don't know the exact year it's going to take hours, which is why I said you need to narrow down the period involved. You can find the images here: http://www.ancestry*co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx (replace asterisk with dot) Look at the Complete Index, NOT the Partial Index. You need to register with Ancestry, but it's free to view BMDs - you only have to pay for the censuses.

Have you thought about looking on the marriage certs of his 9 children? He may have present at a marriage - or it could say whether he was deceased or not. It could at least narrow down the death time frame.

hi....i`ve been on lancs bmd`s,and i can`t find a one of my grandads bros/sisters births,or even my grandads-very strange.....could someone please see if they can find the births of PAUL OAKES abt 1917.....and WINNIFRED OAKES abt 1918 ,both in garston,liverpool(was lancashire until 1926).......thanks......i`m trying to establish whether william edward was alive aftre the 1st world war........allan

On the death index there is a Paul David Oakes who dies Sep 1986 dob 21 Oct 1917. The is a corresponding birth reg for OND 1917 West Derby mmn Sacht. BTW the Lancashire BMD site is still adding to the records they have on.

thanks lynne/andrea.......i`ve found paul on freebmd,but i can`t find winnie.......she only died about 3 years ago.....she married an american charles adams,during the war,and went to live over in the states....i only knew her as aunty winnie.....is there any other possible christian name other than winifred for 'winnie'??.......regards...allan

thanks to everyone concerned........i`ve been on 3 sites today,and thanks to you all,we`ve established that WINNIE was b in 1921....so my g grandfather wasn`t killed in the war.....so lynne.....thank you so much for your info,,,,,,certainly fits the bill for william edwards birth/year of death.....i`ll have to purchase this death certificate ,to see if its my g grandfather.....my father always believed william edward was lost at sea.......doesn`t look like that now.......i`ll keep you informed......and thanks again....it really is appreciated.......regards......allan