Genealogy Chat

Having found some relatives on the 1901 census, I then went on to research their marriage. Having found two very good possibilities, how do I go about cross-referencing them when I don't have the womens' maiden names? Can this be done by the reference numbers?

tell us who what and where, in actual terms. Really, the best way is to source a childs birth cert, with mothers maiden name on for confirmation

1901 in full for ref Name: George Clarke Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Thyrza Gender: Male Where born: Norwich Civil parish: Norwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Etheldreda County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Norwich Sub-registration district: East Wymer ED, institution, or vessel: 48 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Ada Clarke 10 George Clarke 41 Herbert Clarke 3 months Mabel Clarke 9 Mary Clarke 4 Percy Clarke 7 Thyrza Clarke 41 Born Norwich Given that Ada is 10, I hope they married before she was born! May not have of course!

Sorry - still getting the hang of this. 1901 census for George Clarke b. 1860 in Norwich. Married to Thyrza Clarke also b. 1860 in Norwich. Address given as 174 King Street, Norwich. The two possible entries for the marriage are 4b 284 July/Aug/Sept/1894 and 4b 338 Oct/Nov/Dec/1886

LOL - thanks Ann.

it looks like this one, but its a duff page Name: George Clarke Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Norwich County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 3*8 lets see what happens if i search for a thyrza same ref

How do you do that Ann?

1891 just wondering if this is the same family Name: Thirza Clarke Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Gender: Female Where born: Swaffham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Kentish Town ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ada Clarke 1/12 George Clarke 31 - horse keeper (groom) Thirza Clarke 31 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 131; Folio 122; Page 36; GSU roll: 6095241

Hey Susan, I had a wee search for you and have come up with another possible marriage: Thyrza Elizabeth Abel married George Clarke Reg June quarter 1890 (2a 743) in Bromley. Checked on her a bit more and came up with her birth: Thirza Elizabeth Abel reg birth dec 1859 in Swaffam (4b 401). This ties in with the info Glitterbaby found on the 1891 census - note Swaffam is mentioned as her birth place and i noted that the residence was in the St Pancras parish of London, by sub district it mentioned Kentish town....Bromley where the above marriage took place i believe is in that area. I know the spelling of the first name is slightly different for the 2...but note this is the case on the 2 census's listed. The age also tallies - being in dec she would not quite be 42 by when the census was held. Hope this helps. Steve

That is irritating! 1901 gives all their birth places as NORWICH, so i didnt look anywhere else other than Norfolk! Well done Glitter baby- teach me to look further than me own nose1

Of course , its somewhere different again, just after she was born.Swaffham district though 1861 Name: Thirza E Abel Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Rebecca Gender: Female Where born: Cockley Cley, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Cockley Cley County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Swaffham Sub-registration district: Swaffham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Ernest A Abel 3 Cockley Cley, George Abel 13 Cockley Cley John Abel 53 Banham, Norfolk, Rebecca Abel 45 Shampson, Norfolk, Sophia Abel 5 Cockley Cley Thirza E Abel 1 Cockley Cley Caroline Bye 13 Rockland ,dau in law- maybe Rebecca's pre marriage Johns occupation was Gamekeeper- and they lived in Gamekeepers house *In-law - often meant legally ours when it was a child

I'd guess this is Rebecca in 1851,before she married mR Able Name: Rebecca Bye Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1818 Relation: Servant Gender: Female /unmarried Where born: Thompson, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Cambridge St Andrew The Great Town: Cambridge County/Island: Cambridgeshire Registration district: Cambridge Sub-registration district: St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 104 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Bushley 52 Caroline Bye 21 Rebecca s sister?Kitchen maid Rebecca Bye 33 << Chamber maid James Hemp 22 Marianne Hewitt 39 Rebecca Hewitt 27 Susanna Hewitt 40 Head -Landlady of the (?University?) arms Frederick Pashler 23 Charlotte Pennock 21 meanwhile young Caroline is with Grandparents Name: Caroline Bye Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Rockland, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Rockland All Saints County/Island: Norfolk Registration district: Wayland Sub-registration district: Attleborough ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Caroline Bye 2 <<<< Emily Bye 21 Jane Bye 53 John Bye 60 William Bye 17

John Abel, 1851 pre Rebecca, married to mary Name: George Abel Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Cockley Cley, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Cockley Cley County/Island: Norfolk Registration district: Swaffham Sub-registration district: Swaffham ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 46 Household Members: Name Age George Abel 3 John Abel 44 Losia Abel 8 Daughter Mary Abel 39 Stagg Abel 17 Son Elizabeth Tuddenham 23 Relation: Servant John Abel is a gamekeeper ---------------------------------------- 1841 with another daughter John Abel abt 1811 Norfolk, England Cockley Cley Norfolk Martha Abel abt 1838 Norfolk, England Cockley Cley Norfolk Mary Abel abt 1816 Norfolk, England Cockley Cley Norfolk Stagg Abel abt 1836 Norfolk, England Cockley Cley Norfolk (1841 doesnt tell you how folk were related)

Rebecca & John Abel's marriage in 1855 John Abel 1855 Oct-Nov-Dec Wayland Norfolk Rebecca Bye 1855 Oct-Nov-Dec Wayland Norfolk District: Wayland County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 725

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Oh i am glad you came back! was going to send you a message to say we'd found some more for you! whats missing a possible death for Mary - right place right time frame Name: Mary Abel Year of Registration: 1852 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Swaffham County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 272

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thats sad 1901 census finds Stagg Abel in the Swaffham workhouse, married. he died , still in Swafham in 1910. again, it looks like he married in 1874 to Harriet Stagg Abel 1874 Oct-Nov-Dec Swaffham Norfolk Harriett Fendick Tibbett 1874 Oct-Nov-Dec Swaffham Norfolk They dont appear to have had any children though ( i love his name! Stagg!)