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What can I say but thank you once again. Rose, Lisa said you were a whiz at researching! What you found was great. I had thought that Vivian was a strange second name for John! LOL henrietta was married very young and Mabel arrived rather soon after!! Lisa, thanks for the Bettison info. I think I have found the connection. Minnie Rebecca Grose (1859) married William Bettison in 1877. I cannot find then on the census so I reckon they also popped across to the promised land as well. Margaret, that death you found seems a likely bet to clear the way for Henrietta to meet and see off another young man. She was NOT safe to be married to!. Poor old William Hoyte was only 27 when he popped his clogs! I cant tell you how grateful I am to you all. Gerry :-))

Was looking for the death of Henrietta's first husband, Thomas Vivian, and think I found him March quarter 1876, Kingsbridge, Devon, age 25. Curiously there's 2 other Vivians, same quarter, same place, James Vivian age 70 and John Vivian age 69.

1900 census above lists Henry Bettison. 1910 United States Federal Census Name: Henry Bettison Age in 1910: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Birthplace: Colorado Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: Maine Mother's Birth Place: Maine Home in 1910: Alma, Park, Colorado Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Henry Bettison 34 Occupation: Miner, lead(?) mine Listed right above Henry's name is: 1910 United States Federal Census Name: Wm Bettison Age in 1910: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Birthplace: Maine Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: New York Mother's Birth Place: Massachusetts Home in 1910: Alma, Park, Colorado Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Wm Bettison 55

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Henrietta Vivian Name: Henrietta Vivian Arrival Date: 5 Mar 1881 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Age: 26 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: United States of America Place of Origin: United States of America Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: American Ship Name: Britannic Search Ship Database: View the Britannic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: New York Line: 14 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_433 List Number: 238 Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Rose

1871: 1871 England Census about Henrietta Virian Name: Henrietta Virian Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Roche, Cornwall, England Civil parish: St Austell Ecclesiastical parish: Treverbyn County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: St Austell Sub-registration district: St Austell ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 54 Household Members: Name Age Henrietta Virian 17 Mable Amelia Virian 16 days Thomas Virian 20 Rose

Hi Gerry, Henrietta was married before to Thomas Vivian. John and Mabel are his children. Marriages Dec 1870 Grose Henrietta St. Austell 5c 206 VIVIAN Thomas St. Austell 5c 206 Births Mar 1871 Vivian Mabel Evelina St. Austell 5c 135 Births Sep 1874 VIVIAN John Henry St.Austell 5c 118 John is listed as a Vivian in 1900. Rose

Hi all Thanks to Lisa's help i can confirm Henrietta was a Grose and i have found her and her family in the 1861 English Census. The 1900 and 1885 American census suggests that Henrietta Grose and Captain William Hoyte married befor emigrating as some of their children are shown as being born in England. However I still cannot find a marriage for them. Good progress so far though and thank you all for your help to date. Gerry :-))

GROSE is a very common Cornish surname. OC

Gerry, I can't find William or Henrietta on either the 1880 US census or the 1881 British one, so looks like they emigrated between the two. Also can't find a marriage for them. Did they emigrate together before they were married? Still lots of questions to be answered. Margaret

Note for 1900 census - William George is mistranscribed. Name could be 'Grose'.

Gerry: I'm using my work computer and I have to leave now. I'm sure there's lots more to find. Best of luck.

Lisa thank you very much. I have PMd you Gerry :-))

Colorado State Census, 1885 Name: Etta Hoyte Residence: Park, Colorado Enumeration District: 1 Birth Place: England Age: 29 Race: White Gender: Female Marital Status: Widowed Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Page: 23 Roll: T158_7 Etta living with her father, Henry B. Gross(?), age 60, miner, born in England. Living with them are Mabel, age 14, granddaughter, born England. John L.(?), age 9, grandson, born England. WM, age 1, grandson, born Colorado. Etta's father is widowed as well.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: William George Hoyte City: Not Stated County: Stanislaus State: California Birth Date: 16 Apr 1884 Race: White Roll: 1544412 DraftBoard: 0 There's an image of the card, but I can't send it. Sorry.

:) California Death Index, 1940-1997 about William G Hoyte Name: William G Hoyte Social Security #: 0 Sex: MALE Birth Date: 16 Apr 1884 Birthplace: Colorado Death Date: 25 Apr 1955 Death Place: Stanislaus (County?) Mother's Maiden Name: Gross Father's Surname: Hoyte

Excuse the langauge but BLOODY HELL..... well done and thank you very much. Gerry :-))

I just googled 'captain william hoyt' and look what I found: *Hoyt, Captain William Notes: Born 1856; died December 16, 1883. A Memoriam Card stated: 'In loving memory of Captain William Hoyt of the sovereign gold mine; son of George and Elizabeth Hoyt of Illogan Highway, Cornwall, who died at Alma Park Colorado December 16, 1883 after a severe and painful illness which was borne with resignation and Christian fortitude. Aged 27 years. Respected and beloved by all who knew him. The funeral was the largest ever seen in the town.'

Don't know if this helps, but: 1900 United States Federal Census Name: Henritta Hoyte Home in 1900: Precinct 7, Teller, Colorado Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Birthplace: England Relationship to head-of-house: Sister Race: White Immigration year: 1881 Household Members: Name Age William H George 54, immigrated 1864 Henritta Hoyte 44, sister, immigrated 1881 William G Hoyte 16, nephew, born Colorado John H Vivian 24, nephew, immigrated 1881 Henry Bettison 19, nephew, born Colorado John I Jacobe 33 , hired help This Henrietta had three children, all were living. She was born in Aug 1855 and widowed. According to Google, there is an Alma in Colorado.

Hi. William Hoyte (Hoite,Hoyt) b1856 in Newlyn East, Cornwall to George and Elizabeth. In 1869, when he was 13 he was awarded a book from his Sunday School in Illogan in Cornwall. I have the book in front of me. In 1871 census he was still in Illogan as a Tin Mine Labourer, then he disappears However, I have a letter from Henrietta Hoit in America talking about the death of her husband Captain William Hoyte (b1856) who died in Dec 1883 in Alma, USA after a long illness. My gut tells me this my William from Illogan. Can anyone tell me please if they have any info or access to records which showed William Hoyte emigrated to America and married a Henrietta? Gerry :-))

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