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I have a marriage certificate for my great-grand parents. Which says my great-grandfather was called William Henry Harrop and his father is also called William. After doing some research i sent for the birth certificate for William Henry Harrop and it came back that his father was called James. I have spent two solid days trying to find a link to the James Harrop and cant see why this cant be my William Henry's birth certificate, but surely the some one would have noticed on the certificate at the time that there was a mistake with the fathers name. And James mistaken for William it's nothing like the same. Where do i go from here, any ideas? Thanks

Rhonda what time frame are we looking at here? Have you found the family on any census? Georgina.

Any chance you have the wrong birth certificate? can you give us dates and locations?

The marriage was 1906, and it say's that William Henry was 20 years old. I have all the info on his Wife Annie Charnley. Rhonda

What does the birth certificate give for his fathers occupation & his mothers name? 1891 census... Name: William Harrop Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 13a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Robert Bell 44 William Bell 15 Sarah Hague 20 Sophia Hague 22 Martha Harrop 25 William Harrop 27 William Harrop 3 Georgina.

What was Williams fathers occupation on the marriage certificate, and what address was given? Ok just seen he was a painter...Ancestry is playing up at the moment!

Have you found William Henry on any census, and what areas are we looking at?

Hi, I cant find another William Henry Harrop born in Manchester in 1886. They were married in Salford. I thought i had the wrong certificate but cant find anything else. On the marriage certificate it says William Henry is a painter and on the 1901 census i found the William Henry with James for father and it says he is a painter. Rhonda

What about witnesses? any possible siblings etc what was williams fathers occupation?

The marriage certificate reads June 4th William Henry Harrop 20 painter 10 rosamond street father William Harrop greengrocer. Annie Charnley 21 19 Rarald street father Thomas Richard Charnley cab driver in the presence of James Broughton and Edith Charnley.

The birth certificate i have says 3rd Sptember 1886, William Henry father James Harrop, mother Emma Harrop formerly Clay. fathers occupation Labourer.

Hi im no having much luck at the moment... Is that you on ancestry asking about William Henry and that he died in WW1? If it is have you had a look to see if his service record still survives?

Well if you have the correct birth certificate this is the parents marriage... Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%) Barrett Horatio Manchester 8d 193 Clay Emma Manchester 8d 193 Hampson Emily Manchester 8d 193 Harrop James Manchester 8d 193 Hulme Robert Manchester 8d 193 Georgina.

Rhonda what is interesting about this 1891 census for James & Emma Harrop is that they have a son who is down as William Henry Clay aged 4??? The children 's surname should be Harrop but the enumerator have just put ditto under the Clay name. Name: James Harrop Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emma Father's name: Joshua Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Clay 23 Emily Clay 6 Frances Clay 8 Henry Clay 21 James Clay 2 Months Joshua Clay 54 Joshua Birtles Clay 2 William Henry Clay 4 Emma Harrop 30 James Harrop 30 Georgina.

Rhonda if you are tracing backwards do you know for sure that your William married Annie or is it guess work? Georgina.

Hi Georgina, I did find this census and it is a mistake the children apart from Henry 21 and Elizabeth are the children of James and Emma. I don't know where to go next with this one. I have sent a email to some one that has Frances Harrop in there tree and i am waiting for a reply. So they make be able to put me right about the William Henry with Jmaes has the father. Rhonda

Georgina, I have my grandfathers birth certificate and yes, Annie Charnley is his mother. I know a lot about Annie, but William Henry was killed in WW1 and Annie married a Percy Miller and my late grandfather wasn't allowed to speak about his father or ask questions. So that is why i don't know anything about him. Rhonda