Genealogy Chat

hi, on the 1861 census i have a man listed as at home with parents and he has a 4month old son with him. there is no sign of a mother. any ideas as to how i can find out who she was? he was joseph crockford 1843 denver norfolk, son was john thos crockford 1860 denver norfolk.

Is the father described as a widower? If so, your best approach would be to try to find the marriage, and then look for a possible death.........unless the son's birth was registered............... Reg

Actually, I've just looked at the image.........John Thomas is described as Daughter's son......so he was the illegitimate son of Martha (one assumes). So, it's the father whose identity you will probably never know................ Reg

John Joseph crockford is described as daughters son in the occ column. John Crockford aged 19 is unmarried Shirley

Possibly John Thomas in 1871 with mum and stepfather Name: John T Croxfoot Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Denver, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Hilgay Town: Hilgay County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Downham Sub-registration district: Downham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 223 Household Members: Name Age John T Croxfoot 10 George Uffindale 2 Martha Uffindale 33 Martha Uffindale 2 months Mary Uffindale 2 months William Uffindale 29 Possible marriage for Martha Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crockford Martha Downham 4b 558 Ovendill William Downham 4b 558

Birth Index for John Thomas - Name: John Thomas Croxford Year of Registration: 1861 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Downham County: Cambridgeshire, Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 357 (click to see others on page)

hi, thanks for that. i misread it. good job some1 is awake today.

on the 1861 census as i said he is listed as grandson - father joseph on the trnascribed list but yes on the actually image it says daughters, does this mean that martha and jospeph could be the parents: 1861 England Census about John Thos Crockford Name: John Thos Crockford Age: 4Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Grandson Father's name: Joseph Gender: Male Where born: Denver, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Denver Ecclesiastical parish: Fincham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Downham Sub-registration district: Downham ED, institution, or vessel: 5

No.....it means that he is Martha's illegitimate son............as proved by the 1871 census. 1861 census image does not say that his father is Joseph (that is an inaccurate assumption by the Ancestry transcriber)........John is the grandson of the head of the household (Elizabeth). Every person in a house on any census is listed by his/her relationship to the head, and not to any other family member. And I doubt very much whether you would want John to be the product of a relationship between siblings!!!!!!! Reg

no i dont really want to find that that is the link at all. i will leave him as marthas without a father for now.