Genealogy Chat

Hi Folks, I have just found a marriage in Vital Records Index, between Frederick Jones and Jane Taylor, 19th Oct 1853 recorded in St Peters, Dublin as a civil registration! This could be mine because his fathers name is right. I would want to know his occupation and their ages also if she has a second name. A civil registration in a church? Would Irish certificates show those details. If so, where do I send for the certificate and how would I pay in Euro's?? Many Thanks for any thoughts or help at all. Jim

hi, i have just got a marriage cert from ireland, took less than a week. the site is: http://www*groni*gov*uk/index*htm (change stars to dots) the cert had the folowing: date, bride and groom names, their ages, place of marriage across the top, condition to marriage, rank or profession, residence at time of marriage, fathers full names and professions, and the names of the whitnessess. hope this helps.

I think the explanation might be because Ireland (Dublin) was still part of the UK in 1853 and all RC marriages would have had to have a registrar present - not many Irish Catholic priests were Registrars.(Authorised to perform a marriage, that is) The other explanation is maybe one of them was not of the faith and therefore a civil ceremony was performed in church. Civil registration merely means that a Registrar was present and indicates (at that time) that the marriage was not performed according to the rites of the established church which was the Church of England then. OC

HiFolks, Many, Many Thanks for your information. It is greatly appreciated. I will now send for the certificate and hope I have broken down a particular brick wall! The cert info is precisely what I am after and the explanation is of no less importance. They go hand in hand. Thank You both again. Happy Searching, Jim

Excuse me - I have an Irish marriage certificate in 1848 that is according to the rites of the United Church of Ireland - so would that mean the same thing as C of E?

MM Yeeee--e-e-s, I THINK so! I hastily add that I know nothing about Irish research, but I think the United Church of Ireland is the same think as Church of England? We need someone Irish here! OC

I think so, yes, OC. Presumably, it would come under the umbrella of the universal Anglican Church but would look illogical to call it self C of England as it was in Ireland!

Hi there, I believe that registration of Church of Ireland marriages started in 1845 and compulsory registration of other marriages started in 1864, hope this helps. Teresa

Just checked the certificate - it's okay: it is both! It reads: in the Cathedral of Clogher according to the rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland.

Hi Folks, Would anyone know the site for ordering certificates over the I/net from Dublin. I have looked on the site that Yummy Mummy suggested but its only for Northern Ireland. many Thanks, Jim

Hello James If you go to http://www(.)groireland(.)ie/ remove brackets you will get the details you need. Kindest regards Maureen JONES, Frederick Marriage Wife: Jane TAYLOR Marriage Date: 19 Oct 1853 Recorded in: St Peter, Dublin, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Joseph JONES Wife's Father: Richard TAYLOR Source: FHL Film 101346 Dates: 1853 - 1853

Hello James Dont know if you have these. Dublin City Census 1851 First Name Last Name Street Number Street Parish North/South of River Liffey Th. Tailor (Failor?) 43 Dominick St. Lower St. Mary's North Jane Taylor 26 Abbey St. Upper St. Mary's North Th. Taylor 10 Mary's Abbey St. Mary's North Wm. Taylor 3 Paradise Place(Brady's Ln.,Wellington St./Thoms) St. Mary's North Edw. Taylor 3 King's Inns St. St. Mary's North Jno. Taylor 26 Strand St. Great St. Mary's North Ann Taylor 25 Denmark St. Little St. Mary's North Emily Taylor 14 Jervis St. St. Mary's North Dublin City Census 1851 First Name Last Name Street Number Street Parish North/South of River Liffey Rob. Johns 38 Westland Row St. Mark's South Sarah Johns 7 Cumberland St. South St. Mark's South Francis Jones 18 Cumberland St. South St. Mark's South Fred. Jones 11 Brunswick St. Great St. Mark's South Jas. Jones 32 Brunswick St. Great St. Mark's South Jas. Jones 19 Mark St. St. Mark's South Wm. Jones 16 Erne St. Upper St. Mark's South Hugh Jones 7 Brunswick Place St. Mark's South Edw. Jones 14 Windmill Lane St. Mark's South J as. Jones 10 Boyne St. St. Mark's South Pk. Jones 82 Townsend St. St. Mark's South Humphrey Jones 189 Townsend St. St. Mark's South

Hi to everybody who has contributed to my query and Many Thanks. Donegal Girl & I have been communicating directly. Happy Searchy, Jim