Genealogy Chat

Have you checked to see if Edwin Wenlock appears on 1891? If so, who is he with? Reg

see below

This is my family member in 1871 Name: Selina Powell Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Stepdaughter Mother's name: Caroline Gender: Female Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Walsall Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 163 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Powell 18 Selina Powell 10 Caroline Whitehouse 42 Patience Whitehouse 5 Sarah Ann Whitehouse 2 William Whitehouse 44 and I think her in 1881 Selina Powell Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Litchurch County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: 2 Midland Road Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: General Servant Registration district: Derby Sub-registration district: Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 55 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Annie H. Innes 29 Annie H. Innes 3 George Innes 28 George H. Innes 1 Selina Powell 20 searching marriages I came across >>Selina Powell 1883 Jan-Feb-Mar Derby Derbyshire Sarah Salt 1883 Jan-Feb-Mar Derby Derbyshire John Smith 1883 Jan-Feb-Mar Derby Derbyshire >>Edwin Wenlock 1883 Jan-Feb-Mar Derby Derbyshire searched 91 census but can't find her with either married name however found deaths Selina Wenlock abt 1861 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire Selina Wenlock abt 1883 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire surely this is just pure chance? I'm ordering a batch of certs later and might just have to slip these 2 in aswell

Confirmation of the marital pairing......... EDWIN WENLOCK Male Father: WILLIAM WENLOCK Marriages: Spouse: SELINA POWELL Father: JOHN POWELL Marriage: 15 MAR 1883 Saint Andrews, Derby, Derby Reg

Thanks again Reg, Can't seem to find Edwin in a later census, but am unsure of his age or place of birth.

thanks Reg, will do that now

John would fit as father of Selina 1861 Name: Salena Powell Age: 10 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Caroline Gender: Female Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Ince and Wigan St Catherine Town: Ince County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Hindley ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 176 Household Members: Name Age James Jeffreys 56 Caroline Powell 34 John Powell 38 Maria Powell 5 Martha Powell 3 Mary Ann Powell 8 Salena Powell 10 Mo

Very few entries for Edwin Wenlock birth Edwin Wenlock 1859 Oct-Nov-Dec Ellesmere Flintshire, Shropshire 1861 Edwin Wenlock William,Mary Ann abt 1860 Shropshire, England Son Shocklach Cheshire 1871 Edwin Wenlock William,Mary A abt 1854(1860) Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Son Wellington Shropshire 1891 Edwin Winlock abt 1861 Llangathen, Wales Boarder Rowley Regis Staffordshire (same wife and child as 1901) 1901 Edwin Wenlock Ann abt 1859 Shropshire, England Head Hanley Staffordshire marriage Edwin Wenlock 1885 Jul-Aug-Sep Nantwich Cheshire

If you get the marriage cert, his age and occupation will be recorded.........the likeliest candidate in 1871 is this one............based on the IGI info re the marriage Name: Edwin Wenlock Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Ellesmere, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Wellington Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Wellington County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Registration district: Wellington Sub-registration district: Wellington ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 106 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Wenlock 17 Elizabeth Wenlock 3 Francis W Wenlock 7 Mary A Wenlock 33 b. Newtown Mary L Wenlock 9 William Wenlock 34 b. Middle, Shropshire Ignore the age/birth year above; the image shows his age to be 11. Father's occ is Labourer. The same Edwin in 1881........... Name: Edwin Wenlock Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Wellington, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 35 Shaws Alley Occupation: Baker Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward Cavill Ellen Cavill 27 Mary Cavill 2 James Mulhorn 30 Edwin Wenlock 21 Reg

Thanks, have ordered marriage certs and the 2 death certs Linda

Being of an inquisitive nature.........please can I ask you to let us know the outcome.........if you don't mind! Cheers Reg

From that, it looks like Selina might have died in childbirth maybe. Liz

Will do Reg Thanks again for your help

Selina's mother's re-marriage........ Caroline Powell 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire William Whitehouse 1868 Reg

I agree, Selina probably died in childbirth. Her daughter could have been named Selina who then also died around about the same time. Carolyn

thanks Reg, I have that marriage cert already, Caroline and William's daughter Sarah was my great grandmother.

some certs arrived this morning, I said I would let you know. No marriage cert yet but death certs for the 2 Selinas 21st November 1883 Selina Wenlock female aged 22 wife of Edwin Wenlock (confectioner) cause of death looks like confinement pueperal Septicemia 14th December 1883 Selina Wenlock female aged 6 weeks daughter of Edwin Wenlock cause of death looks like Marasmus thanks for all your help sad eh?

Curtesy of Wikipedia. Marasmus is a form of severe protein-energy malnutrition characterised by calorie deficiency and energy deficiency. Some other PEMs are kwashiorkor and cachexia (the most common one in the developed world). A child with marasmus looks emaciated and the body weight may reduce to less than 80% of the normal weight for that height. Marasmus occurrence increases prior to age 1 whereas Kwashiorkor occurrence increases after 18 months. The signs are common characteristics of protein-energy malnutrition: dry skin, loose skin folds hanging over the glutei, axillae, etc. Drastic loss of adipose tissue from normal areas of fat deposits like buttocks and thighs. The afflicted are often fretful, irritable, and voraciously hungry. There may be alternate bands of pigmented and depigmented hair (flag sign), or flaky paint appearance of skin due to peeling. It is essential to treat not only the symptoms but also the complications of the disorder like infections, dehydration and circulation disorders, which are frequently lethal and lead to high mortality if ignored.

Thanks, Linda, for updating for me......at least you now know exactly what happened. Reg