Genealogy Chat

Thankyou for spending time on this. Yes the census you have there is one of the ones i have for the daughter Eliza Fetter living with her grandparent. Her parents are much more elusive but potentially more interesting if I can find which part of Germany Philipp John was from. Thanks again.

Could this be part of the family? It includes an Eliza Fetter born in Shoreditch attached to the Andrews family. 1871 England Census about Eliza Fetter Name: Eliza Fetter Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Andrews 18 Harriet Andrews 16 Philip Born 37 Eliza Cramer 55 Philip H Cramer 63 Eliza Fetter 14 Janet E Fetter 5 Henry Huffmaster 23 Frederick Niebuhr 37 Christian Noshbush 34 View Original Record View original image View blank form Save This Record Attach this record to a person in your tree as a source record, or save for later evaluation. Save Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 438; Folio: 38; Page: 1; GSU roll: 823357.

Thanks for your help :-) I have the marriage certificate for Philipp John Fetter and Eliza Ann Fetter formerly Andrews on the 27 Oct 1856 in Bermondsey, Surrey. I have not looked up a marriage for the eliza and John Linderman in the 1871 census because of the 1881 census I have where John Fetter is still married to Eliza. Maybe they are not the same people and it is all a coincidence.

1871......... I would think that the two elder children, with the surname Veter, Anna & Samuel, are actually stepchildren to John. Have you looked for a marriage between him and Eliza? Reg

Why is it so hard to find these people in the censuses? I have a birth certificate for Eliza Fetter b 24 Jul 1857 in Shoreditch, Middlesex. Her parents are listed as Philipp John Fetter (a fur skin dyer) and Eliza Ann Fetter formerly Andrews. I also have their marriage certificate for 27 Oct 1856 in Bermondsey, Surrey. His surname is listed as Vetter then though, but his occupation is the same. The only census I have for them is 1881, where he is going by the name of John Fetter, but it does say that he was born in about 1827 Germany! I would love to know where abouts, so I am keen to find them is the other censuses, especially between 1857 and 1881 when I suspect they remained in the london area. I found a couple in in 1871 census who resemble them closely but I am not sure it is them. The location is shoreditch and his proffession is correct, and the birth dates and places are approximately correct. They even have a daughter called Sophia that matches. The trouble is that they are down as John & Eliza Lindenauer (possibly linderman). Some of their children seem to have a sirname veter. I cannot think what is going on here! Their daugher Eliza Fetter does not appear to have lived with her parents as a child. She is in the 1861 census as living in Shoreditch with her grandparents Phillip Cramer b 1808 Prussia (Preußen), Germany (a fur skin dyer) and Eliza Cramer b 1816 Theydon Bois, Essex. Their surname puzzles me as I Cramer is neither of her parent's surnames and yet their seems to be a lot of fur dying going on. Eliza Fetter is also in the 1871 census as still living in Shoreditch with her grandparents. This time though, they have a secong granddaughter living with them Janet E Fetter b.1866 Shoreditch. If this is Eliza's sister then it does imply that thier parents should be on the 1861 census somewhere. I think part of the problem is the number of possible spellings of Cramer / Kramer / Creamer and Fetter / Vetter and Theydon Bois which people spell in a lot of different ways. I have tried all combinations I can think of, but I cannot find any other census records. Can anyone think of anything else to try? Thanks very much for takiong the time to read all of this :-)