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I have these in the 1881 England Census. They are definately my family: Name: John Fetter Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 13 White X Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Fur Skin Dyer Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Richard Cullwick 44 Eliza Fetter 43 John Fetter 54 John Fetter 3 Louisa Fetter 8 Sophia Fetter 13 Robert Linstead 39 This is the only record census I could find for Philipp John Vetter and his wife Eliza Ann (nee Andrews). Then I found this one: Name: John Lindenauer Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Hesse, Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Skin Dyer Condition as to marriage: Married Disability: None Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 207 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Lindenauer 36 John Lindenauer 45 Ada M Linderman 1 Sophia Linderman 3 Ama Veter 10 Samuel Veter 8 Do you think they can be the same people?

Thanks! How did you do that?

This is easier on the eyes Caroline...(GRs fault not yours) 1881 Name: John Fetter Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 13 White X Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Fur Skin Dyer Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Richard Cullwick 44 Eliza Fetter 43 John Fetter 54 John Fetter 3 Louisa Fetter 8 Sophia Fetter 13 Robert Linstead 39 and 1871 Name: John Lindenauer Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Hesse, Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 207 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Lindenauer 36 John Lindenauer 45 Ada M Linderman 1 Sophia Linderman 3 Ama Veter 10 Samuel Veter 8

I have these in the 1881 England Census. They are definately my family: Name: John Fetter Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 13 White X Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: Occupation: Fur Skin Dyer Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age Richard Cullwick 44 Eliza Fetter 43 John Fetter 54 John Fetter 3 Louisa Fetter 8 Sophia Fetter 13 Robert Linstead 39 This is the only record census I could find for Philipp John Vetter and his wife Eliza Ann (nee Andrews). Then I found this one: Name: John Lindenauer Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Hesse, Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Skin Dyer Condition as to marriage: Married Disability: None Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 207 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Lindenauer 36 John Lindenauer 45 Ada M Linderman 1 Sophia Linderman 3 Ama Veter 10 Samuel Veter 8 Do you think they can be the same people?

may I? I have these in the 1881 England Census. They are definately my family: Name: John Fetter Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 13 White X Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Fur Skin Dyer Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Richard Cullwick 44 Eliza Fetter 43 John Fetter 54 John Fetter 3 Louisa Fetter 8 Sophia Fetter 13 Robert Linstead 39 This is the only record census I could find for Philipp John Vetter and his wife Eliza Ann (nee Andrews). Then I found this one: Name: John Lindenauer Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Hesse, Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Skin Dyer Condition as to marriage: Married Disability: None Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 207 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Lindenauer 36 John Lindenauer 45 Ada M Linderman 1 Sophia Linderman 3 Ama Veter 10 Samuel Veter 8 Do you think they can be the same people?

Caroline when you post a question,put the Title, then in the box put...Please see below... then reply to your own question putting your question.... clear as mud? lol sorry but blame GR.

It certainly looks like the same family, especially as the 1871 census address was 39 White Cross Place, so just up the road from the 1881 address.

There are so many coincidences: He is going by the name John. His wife is called Eliza. He is a Skin Dyer. He was born around abt 1827 so abt 1826 is not far out! She was born in abt 1838 so abt 1835 is not bad. She was born in London, London, Middlesex, England. They have a daughter called Sophia. Sophia was born abt 1868. Sophia was born in London, London, Middlesex, England. They all live at White Cross Place, Holywell, Shoreditch. His sirname is Vetter originally although this is sometimes spelled as Fetter as here. Although the younger children have the Linderman surname, the elder have Veter. But why should they change names (I have theim on their marriage in 1856 and later in this 1881 census) from and back to Vetter???

Not a solution, a theory to be torn apart: I know that the 1871 census image shows Veter (in passing, German V is pronouced F), but Babelfish produces 'cousin' as the English translation of vetter. You say they married in 1856, but there is then a fair gap from 1856 to the oldest child born approx 1861, and another gap between the two oldest children and the two younger children on the 1871 census. Is it possible that although John is Lindenauer, the two older children are not his, but cousins? And that somehow the enumerator called the whole family Vetter in 1881? I find it hard to believe that it could go that far wrong? UPDATE: No, that can't be right - the family are Fetters again in 1891. Could it be that the older two are Lindenauer by birth, and the rest of the family are Fetters, and it is this that got confused on the 1871 census? Do you have all the birth certificates for each child?

Thanks for the interesting theory! I dont have all the birth certificates for each child. I will have to see what I can find...