Genealogy Chat

Maz This is very interesting as my gtgtgtgrandfather owned 4 acres in Poplar and 34 acres in Limehouse in the mid 1800s. A lot of the streets in the area are/were named after relatives: Paynton, Stainsby, Gough, Archer etc. The attached web site gives lots of info about the East India Dock Road and surrounding areas. It also mentions lots of people who lived in the area. Hope this helps http://www(.)british-history(.)ac(.)uk/report(.)asp(?)compid=46479 remove the brackets KR Harriet

thank you everyone - that's much clearer now! these properties were in Limehouse and Poplar in east London - will have to ask at the LMA if they have any more information. Maz. XX

Thats interesting OC - I have some copyholders down in Sussex on dads side.

Copyholds can be very informative if you are prepared to do a bit of work. As all copyhold land goes back to Manorial holdings, then you often find that the original copyhold tenancy was given to a close relative - a brother or younger son of the Lord of the Manor. Copyhold land quite often stays in the family, and this way you can trace back to mediaeval times and sometimes pre-mediaeval times! OC

Copyholders did not own the freehold of their land outright but were tenants of the manor. New tenants of land (ie tenants who had inherited the tenancy or had paid to take over the tenancy from someone else) had their names entered on the court roll and were were given a copy of this to prove their title to the land- Hence Copyholder.

Hi Maz From the national archives site What is copyhold? Copyhold tenure, as opposed to freehold or leasehold, was a form of landholding peculiar to manors. Copyhold tenants were restricted in what they could do with their land and needed permission from the manorial court to inherit, sell, sublet, buy or mortgage their copyhold property. These transactions, referred to as admissions and surrenders, were written down in the formal record of the court, that is the court roll or court book, and a copy of the entry given to the new tenant as proof of title. The term copyhold therefore derives from the fact that the land was held by copy of the court roll. Copyhold tenants were also subject to certain customary payments. For example, when a new tenant took over copyhold property he had to pay an entry fine to the lord of the manor and when a copyhold tenant died a payment called a 'heriot' had to be made. Copyhold was abolished by the Law of Property Act 1922. Shirley

Can someone explain please in very simple terms !!! Maz. XX