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Can somebody please help me!!! I am researching my grandfather's family. He was Harry Veals born 1892 in Broadhembury Devon. His whole family are either from Broadhembury or Kentisbeare Devon. He had a brother Albert Veale(s) who was in the navy. I can remember very vaguely meeting him when I was a child. However, can I find him - can I heck!! I have a photograph of him in Naval uniform - he lived in Plymouth and married Alice, having two children Sylvia and John. He went on to be a pilot in Plymouth harbour. I have tried to find his birth - would be after 1895 but can't for the life of me find him. I have found two Albert Veals naval records but they were born in Devonport and are the wrong date. I ried the harbour, but they didn't reply. What can I do to find him. Fear that this and the rain will drive me over the edge!!! Shirley

Start with the children..........find one of their birth reg'ns, which will tell you MMN. You can then search for the marriage.............the cert will tell you his age at the time. Reg

Reg I have tried to find the children. My mother says that they would have been born 1930 Sylvia and 1933 John (these dates are only approximate) but I can't find them either. They would have been born in Plymouth. Guess what I will have to do is just trawl through all the births and hope that I will come up with the right ones? That's the only problem with relying on family for dates etc. Thanks Shirley

No Albert before 1901 1901 England Census about Harry Veale Name: Harry Veale Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Rhoda Gender: Male Where born: Broadhembury, Devon, England Civil parish: Tiverton Ecclesiastical parish: Withleigh St Catherine County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Tiverton Sub-registration district: Tiverton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Dorothy Veale 6 Elisaie Veale 13 Fred Veale 12 Harry Veale 9 Helen Veale 7 Rhoda Veale 36 William Veale 43

birth Albert Edwin Veale Crediton Dec 1898. On Ancestry Albert Edwin born 06.11.1898 died 1987 Mid Devon age 88. Perhaps a copy of his death certificate may help if the informant was one of the children. Regards Irene

Not quite what you want, but might be worth noting: Sylvia M Veal mother's maiden name Gough born 1st qr 1932 Cardiff 11a 613

One for Newton Abbot (Devon) Sylvia Veal Mother's maiden name Broom 2nd qr 1932 Newton Abbott 5b 134

Been looking for a marriage The only one so far: 2nd qr 1927 Albert E Veal m Elizabeth A Lavers Bristol 6a 465

I found another marriage in Bristol, this time VEALS Albert E Veals m Mabel L C Ellicott Bristol 6a 137 2nd qr 1930 Not Alice, though!

Thanks guys Another few leads to follow - but now no Alice!!!! Sent for Alvert Edward Veale born June 1901 last night, so hopefully during the week will find out if he is the right one. If not, Albert Edwin Veale 1989 is the next one on my list. Thanks again. Shirley

Hi Shirley, I had a similar problem with my g grandfather born about the same time, so not on the 1881 census. I had my gran's birth certificate, which gave his name as Sidney Johnson. Johnson is a very common surname so I knew I was in for a trawl. Then I got his marriage certificate - Sidney Johnson, married a Jane - another common name!! Couldn't find his birth certificate anywhere. Looked for him on the 1901 census - there he was - Sidney Johnson, in lodgings, so not with his family. He definitely existed!! Couldn't find him on the 1891 census. I knew he had a much younger sister, Beatrice, as she had brought up my gran after his wife died, so I started looking for HER in the 1901 census. Found her and her parents - but no Sidney - she did, however have brothers called Sylvanus and Ivan. Unusual names, so I looked for them on the 1891 census - no Beatrice (not born yet), but there was another brother called Gifford - right age for g grandad etc, so I sent for the birth certificates for Gifford and Beatrice. Same parents, right date of birth, right area - Gifford was Sidney!! He had started using the name Sidney as soon as he could!! As for Sylvanus and Ivan - they called themselves Herbert and Frederick!! Just typical - they were given unusual forenames and dropped them as soon as they could It took me 2 years to find g grandad, so don't give up hope!! maggie

Maggie Won't give up just yet!!! Sent for a birth cert yesterday and waiting for the postman - is the strike off!!!??? Just as well I enjoy doing this!!! Shirley

The marriage ref 1927 that Elizabeth found the woman Elizabeth A Lavers has a middle initial 'A' which could be Alice . My grandmother had four relatives called Alice but none actually known as Alice , so anything possible isn't it? Kim

Kim Thanks for noticing that!!! Sometimes think that I look TOO hard and don't see what's under my nose?! Will wait to see what the outcome of Albert's birth cert is and then if that fails, will send off for the marriage cert. It's great to know that if you post something on here there are always greate people who are willing to help. Thanks Shirley x

I know I am a little late in reading this thread but I have been having the same problem as you looking for an Albert. My Albert is on the 1901 census aged 7 and I have bought so many certificates that turn out to be wrong. However I have finally found the right one and he is registered as Berty - on his death certificate it is spelt Bertie. So perhaps your Albert may also be a Bertie. Jo