Genealogy Chat

Maybe I should try and find some living relative from the roger side maybe they might no. it’s a long shot :) thxs for all ur help as well

Gavin There definitely shoud be a death record but I haven't been able to find it. Other possibilities, as a death registration isn't apparent, 1. She went/was sent abroad. I noted that the Robert Beckles I found was born in the West Indies! 2. She was unwell & went into an institution. Angela

could be. I dont think she got married. maybe she did have a fling with him had the baby she maybe died or even didnt want him so sent him to his grandparents. Then in 1906 his grandfather died not sure when his gran did. so her sistertook him on as she couldnt have kids herself. But if edith had died would there be a record of her dying about 1899-1900? is there any chance that she may be buried next to her father? or is that just me dreaming hehe.

Gavin You say that the parents on the baptism record were Edith Rogers & Robert Beckell. My theory (for what it's worth - & please don't take offence!) is that Edith had a 'relationship' with Robert Beckles (he who lived in Hastings), which resulted in the birth of William (in Hastings). He was then sent to live temporarily with his grandparents in Hampshire. What do you think? Angela

He was brought up by Alma Jane rogers here sister. here married name was pumphrey. They couldnt have children there self . and all she said that she died at child birth and never told him who his mother or father was. Im only guessing that edith is his mother as she is on the baptism record i found.

I've been having another think about this. You say your g grandfather's mother died in childbirth. In this case how can you be sure that the mother and father named on the baptism record were actually his. I would think it more likely to be the names of the two people who brought him up. If his mother died having him, she wouldn't even have been able to register his birth, so the birth could be registered in any name really. Kath. x

thx kath! i rang them there record dont go back that far told me to ring hampshire record office :) Also elizabeth i cant see here being married in the 1901 census u found as she is in the other one i showed unmarried living with her daughter. unless its wrong :)

Agreed, Victoria, but I still feel there must be a connection of some sort. Angela

There is this cemetery in Winchester:- Magdalen Hill Cemetery, Magdalen Hill, Alresford Road, Winchester SO21 1HE Tel 01962 854135 You could give them a ring and ask if they have a buriel record for him for that year. If not they may be able to give you details of any other cemeteries nearby. Kath. x

I am not sure that Edith Emma's sister Elizabeth is one and the same as Elizabeth Louise who married Robert Bruce Beckles. Edith Emma's sister would have been 33 in 1901 - not 51 as she appears on the census. Eighteen years 'out' is a lot. Victoria

yeah thxs that sounds like it could be her. sorry another question. i found that henry rogers died in 1906 in winchester is there a way to find out if he was buried and were? sorry if its a stupid question

I wonder if this is Edith in 1891? Edith Rogers Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Crawley, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Staunton Town: Staunton County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Newark Sub-registration district: Bennington ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Brooks 27 Lucy Gotham 30 Ellen Hedges 23 Margaret Momsen 41 Annie Elizabeth Phillipps 33 Charles James Phillipps 38 Edith Rogers 18

Could this be Edith in 1891:- Name: Edith Rogers Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Crawley, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Staunton Town: Staunton County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: The Hall Occupation: Kitchen hand (?) Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Newark Sub-registration district: Bennington ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Brooks 27 Lucy Gotham 30 Ellen Hedges 23 Margaret Momsen 41 Annie Elizabeth Phillipps 33 Charles James Phillipps 38 Edith Rogers 18 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2715; Folio 87; Page 7 It says birthplace is Crawley, Sussex and not Crawley, Hants, but that is much nearer to Winchester where you say the baptism was. Kath. x

Name: William H Bechells Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Hastings, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Abbotts Barton Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew Hyde County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 208 Household Members: Name Age William H Bechells 1 Alma E J Rogers 3 Elizabeth Rogers 31 Henry Rogers 65 Jane Rogers 64 this is who he was living with in 901. last record of edith rogers i have found is the 1881 census after that gone :)

Thx u all for looking. Edith did have a sister called elizebeth Rogers DOB 1968. she was living with her mother and father in the 1901 census plus her daughter Alma elizebeth J Rogers DOB 1897 . Faher unknown again. It dosnt help that none of my family even knew that side of the family are part of ares as the sister who brought my g grandfather up never talked about them :(. im hopeing i can find a relative or some one who may have knew them as well. its a long shot hehe

Might be 'barking up the wrong tree', but seems a co-incidence to me that they're in Hastings in 1901? Elizabeth L Beckles Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Daughter-in-law Spouse's name: Robert B F Gender: Female Where born: Swaffham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: St Helen Ecclesiastical parish: Ore Christchurch County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Hastings Sub-registration district: Ore ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 250 Household Members: Name Age Edward H Beckles 85 Elizabeth L Beckles 51 Mary E Beckles 44 Robert B F Beckles 46 Angela

Is this connected? Not her sister if so! Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beckles Elizabeth Louise 53 Hastings 2b 27 Angela

Is this your gg grandmother in 1881 with her parents:- Name: Edith Rogers Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Henry Mother's name: Jane Gender: Female Where born: Crawley, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Headbourne Worthy County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Well House Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: The Worthys ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alma Rogers 9 Edith Rogers 8 Elizabeth Rogers 13 Henry Rogers 45 Jane Rogers 44 William Rogers 17 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1230; Folio: 52; Page: 28; Kath. x

Gavin I know there isnt an Edith here, but Edith did have a sister Elizabeth - might be worth looking into? Marriages Mar 1887 (99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BECKLES Robert Brace F Kensington 1a 137 ELGAR Thomas Kensington 1a 137 Mitchell Elizabeth Kensington 1a 137 Rogers Elizabeth Louisa Kensington 1a 137 1881 Census Robert Bruce F. Beckles Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: West Indies Civil Parish: Paddington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 5 Cambridge Ter Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Son Of Bishop Beckles Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St John Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 13a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Robert Bruce F. Beckles 27 Constance Fletcher 28 Henry A. Fletcher 37 Kathleen C.T. Fletcher 9 Cathrine Kennedy 16 Sarah A. Porter 40 William Porter 40 Alice Seagrave 22 Elizabeth Tanson 36 Sarah Wall 23 Angela

Gavin, this is the only one that looks as though he could be yours is Henry William W Rogers, Dec quarter 1998 Bridge, Kent Volume 2a, page 822 I couldn't see anything under Bechells, Beckles or Beckell. If his mother wasn't married at the time she registered the child she would have had to register him under her name unless the father was able to accompany her. Victoria