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I was told years ago that my great grandfather had gone to Russia to work for awhile.
He had brought a samovar home with him that stood at one side of fireplace.( I never saw this but my father said he had.)
He was probably there late 19th century. I have recently discovered that 3 rings I have inherited are possibly russian.
does anyone know anywhere that might have records etc of migrant workers going to russia?
I had never seriously considered it being true but am intrigued now
THOMAS TETLOW or HARRY WALTER FREEMAN (not sure which one)
thanks karen
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Do you mean the late 1900's rather than the 19th Century , which would be late 1800's?
I doubt there are any records unless they were emigrating.
Are there gaps in the census when they might have been away. Occupations might give a clue. Did they marry late, was there a big gap between births of children?
Have you asked google etc?
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Unfortunately there are virtually no records online of travel between Britain and the continent of Europe.
Searching for the names:
Harry Walter Freeman - is that the man born in Droitwich in 1853, who married Mildred Rogers in West Bromwich in 1878?
I don't see any travel records for him. He was in West Bromwich in 1881; Manchester in 1901 and 1911; in South Manchester in 1921, and died in Ashton, Lancs in 1925.
Interestingly, he's not with Mildred and the children in 1891 (in Southcoates, Hull) , and so far I can't see him listed elsewhere..
Of course, there's no knowing where anyone might have been between census years.
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What dates or places of birth or residence do you have for Thomas Tetlow?
That is a more common name than Harry Walter Freeman.
However, even without knowing his age, I can't see any records of travel for anyone of that name to any European destination.
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Have you found BOTH of them on ALL censuses during their lifetimes?
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Two Thomas Tetlows - at least - in Karen’s GR tree. One born 1858, the next born 1889 - both Manchester area
Either of these dates would fit for a great-grandparent of someone living today
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What were their occupations?
I remember seeing a TV programme, where they talked about people connected with the textile industry going to work in Russia around that time.
Rather than actual travel documents, maybe the employer's records might give a hint to possible travel.
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Following on from Gwyn in Kent's entry above and ArgyllGran entry 13 Sep 2024 15:17
https://drawnground.co.uk/2015/04/british-workers-in-the-russian-textile-industry-before-1917/
"Before the 1917 revolution Russia had an enormous thriving textile industry, ranking fourth in the world for production after Britain, the USA and Germany. Much of its machinery was imported from Britain. Until they had developed their own local expertise, Russian mill-owners were dependent upon managers and engineers coming from Britain and from the other western European countries who supplied machinery, to set up equipment, to supervise its use and to train the Russian workers in many different processes."
Comment on above website by Dave Collier on January 31, 2017
"...Two prolific Lancashire mill engine makers exported very large numbers of engines to power Russian textile mills from the 1860s onwards. They worked closely with Platt Brothers. These were Bolton engine makers Hick, Hargreaves & Co and John Musgrave & Sons"
1881 England Census
Name Harray Walter Freeman
Age 27
Estimated Birth Year abt 1854
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Mildred Freeman
Gender Male
Where born Droitwich, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish West Bromwich
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Street Address 19 Mount Pleasant St
Marital Status Married
Occupation Pattern Turner ************************************
Registration district West Bromwich
1901 England Census
Name Harry W Freeman
Age 47
Estimated Birth Year abt 1854
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Spouse Mildred Freeman
Birth Place Droitwich, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish Manchester St Aidan
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Prestwich
Sub-registration district Newton
ED, institution, or vessel 42
Occupation Engine fitter ********************************
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I discovered that a sibling of my great grandfather spent time in Russia during the 1870s. He was the manager of a cotton mill in Royton, Lancashire, but spent some time in Russia in the 1870s, one of his sons was born in St Petersburg, and baptised there in 1874. Other sons were called Herman, Oscar and Emil, as I haven't found the family in all censuses, that makes me wonder if he also spent time in Germany!
There apparently was a lot of exchange at that time as Russia was getting the cotton industry up and running.
I found some information from FMP (FindMyPast) ........... British Armed Forces and Overseas Births and Baptisms, then under Source Foreign Registers & Returns: Russia
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Only because it was one of the OP's posted surnames
Russia Births & Baptisms 1755-1917
First name(s) Pauline
Last name Freeman
Birth date May 1882
Baptism year 1882
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Sex Female
Baptism place -
Birth year 1882
Batch number -
Birth place Russia
Record set Russia Births & Baptisms 1755-1917
Country Russia
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) -
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's last name -
Collections from Europe
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl
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For INFO
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Thompson Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
George Tetlow Head Married Male 53 1828 Mechanic (art) Blackley, Lancashire, England
Margaret Tetlow Wife Married Female 53 1828 - Stockport, Cheshire, England
Thomas Tetlow Son Single Male 22 1859 Mechanic Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Tetlow Son Single Male 19 1862 Mechanic Manchester, Lancashire, England
Penelope Tetlow Daughter Single Female 17 1864 C throstle spinner Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Wm Tetlow Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
14, North Street, Openshaw, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Tettlow Head Married Male 31 1860 Machine planer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mina Tettlow Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Miles Platting, Lancashire, England
Emma Tettlow Daughter - Female 7 1884 - Beswick, Lancashire, England
Frederick Tettlow Son - Male 5 1886 - Beswick, Lancashire, England
George Tettlow Son - Male 4 1887 - Beswick, Lancashire, England
Thomas Tettlow Son - Male 1 1890 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
147, South Street, South Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Tetlow Head Married Male 43 1858 Iron machine planer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mina Tetlow Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Miles Platting, Lancashire, England
Emma Tetlow Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Calico weaver Beswick, Lancashire, England
Frederick Tetlow Son - Male 15 1886 Iron machine planer Beswick, Lancashire, England
George Tetlow Son - Male 14 1887 Iron machine planer Beswick, Lancashire, England
Thomas Tetlow Son - Male 11 1890 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mina Tetlow Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England
James Tetlow Son - Male 6 1895 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England
John E Tetlow Son - Male 4 1897 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ann Tetlow Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
LUCKMAN Mina Manchester 8d 272
TETLOW Thomas Manchester 8d 272
Bride is also in OP's tree..........
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