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Maralyn
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25 Feb 2021 19:14 |
Would appreciate a bit of help in finding the whereabouts of: -
Alice Love - dob 08/08/1924 who lived in Medway (Kent) with parents.
Many thanks,
Maralyn
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25 Feb 2021 19:38 |
who did she marry and parents names would help.please.
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25 Feb 2021 19:40 |
View1939 England and Wales Register Add or update information Report a problem Name: Alice Love [Alice Bracer] Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Birth Date: 15 Aug 1924 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 272 Residence Place: Chatham, Kent, England Occupation: Shop Assistant Line Number: 38 Schedule Number: 243 Sub Schedule Number: 3 Enumeration District: DHCW Borough: Chatham Registration district: 47-1 Inferred Father: John J Love Inferred Mother: Alice M Love Household Members Age John J Love 48 Alice M Love 48 Alice Love 15 William Webber 84
Birthdate given is, 15/8/1924.
272 Luton ? Road,
If the above isnt her then because she was born after 1915 she may not be on the 1939 reg,
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25 Feb 2021 19:52 |
Can you check your facts as there is no birth of Alice Love in 1924,
This is the marriage of John J and Alice M Webber,
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%) Love John J Faversham 2a 2203.
Webber Alice M Faversham 2a 2203
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ArgyllGran
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25 Feb 2021 20:15 |
Alice junior's marriage and death - Bracer on the 1939 Register is a mistranscription:
Alice Love in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Alice Love Registration Date: Jul 1942 [Aug 1942] [Sep 1942] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Chatham Inferred County: Kent Spouse: Douglas H Bragg Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 3100
Alice Bragg in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Alice Bragg Death Age: 50 Birth Date: 15 Aug 1924 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration Date: Oct 1974 [Nov 1974] [Dec 1974] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Southwark Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 15 Page: 0084
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25 Feb 2021 20:20 |
I wonder if she was adopted??
There's no Love/Webber birth of a female, 1911-1930, in England/Wales
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Maralyn
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25 Feb 2021 20:43 |
Alice was unofficially adopted and was brought up by a Jack Love and his wife in the Luton Road area of Chatham, Kent (Medway). This is all one of her son's know.
Alice married Douglas Bragg in 1942 (Medway) and they had four children.
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25 Feb 2021 21:08 |
The above 1939 register find seems to be the one,,,,,,,,and jack was of course John J Love and the birthdate is just a few days out,
But knowing what her birth details officially are will be more difficult ,unless its know within her family.
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ArgyllGran
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25 Feb 2021 21:55 |
Without knowing her birth name, I'm afraid we won't be able to find her birth record.
IF she was born in the Medway RD, and if the DOB is correct(ish), there are these possible illegitimate births in the July-Sept quarter :
JORDAN, ENA MARY - GRO Reference: 1924 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1262
MAC KAY, PATRICIA OLIVE - GRO Reference: 1924 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1243 Occasional Copy: A
WHITE, PATRICIA - GRO Reference: 1924 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1257 Occasional Copy: A
Also possibly these two births, but as they don't seem to show up on the GRO site, I can't tell if they're illegitimate or not.
Brown Betty E Brown Medway 2a 1246
Godden Dorothy J Godden Medway 2a 1279
But in any case, it's impossible to know if any of them could have become Alice Love.
EDIT: Not Patricia Olive Mackay. Her surname changed to Deans later in 1924 (presumably because her mother married Mr Deans) , and she married in Chatham in 1945. She died in 2019.
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Kay????
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25 Feb 2021 22:41 |
Alice Maud Webber Age in 1911: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Ireland Civil Parish: North Preston Without Search Photos: Search for 'North Preston Without' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: 16 Priory Street, Davington Hill, North Preston, Faversham Marital status: Single Occupation: servant Housemaid Registration District Number: 60 Sub-registration District: Faversham ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 4403 Household Members: Name Age George Love 51 John James Love 19 Fredrick Charles Love 18 Louisa James 57 Alice Maud Webber 20 Save Cancel
This is Alice M Webber in 1911,as a domestic within the Love household.
and with her own family in 1901.
View1901 England Census View blank form Add or update information Report a problem Name: Alice Maud Webber Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: William E Webber Mother: Annie M Webber Birth Place: Ireland Civil Parish: Chatham Search Photos: Search for 'Chatham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Chatham St Paul County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration District: Medway Sub-registration District: Rochester and Chatham ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 727 Folio: 140 Page Number: 29 Household Schedule Number: 193 Household Members: Name Age William E Webber 45 Annie M Webber 42 Elizabeth Webber 12 Alice Maud Webber 10 Minnie M Webber 7
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ArgyllGran
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26 Feb 2021 11:40 |
Good find, Kay.
Alice Maude Webber in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 Name: Alice Maude Webber Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891 Registration District: Tralee Birth Country: Ireland Volume: 5 Page: 520 FHL Film Number: 101063
The image on irishgenealogy.ie says:
Born 8 Jan 1891 at Ballyheigue. Father: William Edward Webber, Ballyheigue - coastguard Mother: Annie Maria Webber, formerly Docherty
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26 Feb 2021 11:46 |
Minnie Mary Webber in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 Name: Minnie Mary Webber Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1893 Registration District: Tralee Birth Country: Ireland Volume: 5 Page: 483 FHL Film Number: 101064
The image on irishgenealogy.ie is the wrong one - it only shows a blank page. I've reported it.
Birth of ELIZABETH WEBBER in 1888 Name ELIZABETH WEBBER Date of Birth 1888 Group Registration ID 10418207 SR District/Reg Area Caherciveen
Born 18 Sept 1888, at Waterville. Father: William Edward Webber, coastguard, Waterville Mother: Annie Webber, formerly Dogherty.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Feb 2021 12:03 |
For elimination only:
Ancestry suggests this is the marriage of William and Annie:
Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%) BIGGS Annie Maria Cardiff 11a 282 WEBBER William Edward Cardiff 11a 282
But it's not.
That couple are in Wales in 1901, with children whose mmn is Biggs.
Annie Webber in the 1901 Wales Census Name: Annie Webber Age in 1901: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Wife Spouse: William Webber Gender: Female Where born: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Barry Town: Barry Ecclesiastical parish: Barry County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration District: Cardiff Sub-registration District: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 70 Piece: 4994 Folio: 154 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Webber 42 Annie Webber 39 Alice Webber 14 - Queenstown, Australia Alfred Webber 12 - ditto Elsie Webber 10 - Cardiff May Webber 8 - Cardiff Richard Webber 6 - Cardiff.
WEBBER, RICHARD EDWIN mms BIGGS GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 421
WEBBER, ELSIE MABEL mmn BIGGS GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 352
WEBBER, MAY AMBURY mmn BIGGS GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 451
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Maralyn
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26 Feb 2021 14:21 |
Thank you ArgyllGran and Kay for all the information you have provided, it is always very much appreciated.
Was hoping the unofficial adoption of young Alice to the Love family, would lead me to a family member that had perhaps given birth out of wedlock. Her son says she knew she was adopted, but that was all she knew. Not a close family, so visits to adoptive grandparents few and far between and never any family history discussed.
Regards, Maralyn
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Kay????
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26 Feb 2021 17:19 |
Alice could have been legally adopted as it became a legal official requirment to process adoptions through a court..
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Maralyn
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27 Feb 2021 00:01 |
There was the name Alice Bracer in the 1939 Register, under Alice Love's name, which was said to be a mistranscription. Is this a certainty, or could this have been her birth name?
With the other suggested possible illegitimate births at the time, I might see if there is a name connection to any of the Love/Webber members of the family, as Alice always said it was unofficial. Other than that I have come to a dead end.
Thank you once again.
Maralyn
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27 Feb 2021 02:28 |
The actual record for Alice has been amended, when it was updated with her married name of BRAGG. Someone has misread that and the transcription shows Bracer.
There would be nothing to connect Alice to a different birth name, so no amendment by an official would be made.
Her name of Love on the image of the actual record has been later updated and BRAGG inserted.
Bracer does not come into it, other than a mis transcription.
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Maralyn
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27 Feb 2021 22:21 |
Thanks for the explanation.
Regards, Maralyn
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