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1891 - Charlotte now widowed, living Rhigos:
1891 Wales Census about Charlotte Joseph
Name: Charlotte Joseph
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly (Llanelli), Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish: Rhigos
Ecclesiastical parish: Ystraddyfodwg
Town: Rhigos
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4442
Folio: 47
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Joseph 54
Esther Joseph 23
Jane Joseph 20
Gwen Joseph 15
Alice Joseph 12
Thomas John Joseph 10
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1871 Wales Census about Elizabeth Joseph
Name: Elizabeth Joseph
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Williams (*** - no, see below)
Gender: Female
Where born: Mountain Ash, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Town: Rhigos
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 5403
Folio: 61
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Williams 83 ***
Ann Williams 53 ***
Elizabeth Williams 42 ***
Thomas Joseph
Charlotte Joseph 32
Mary Ann Joseph 12
Elizabeth Joseph 9
Esther Joseph 2
Jane Joseph 7 Months
******** On the original image, the three people surnamed Williams are a different household. The Williamses are at 1 Rose Place, and the Josephs at 4 Rose Place.
Elizabeth's mother is Charlotte Joseph, not Elizabeth Williams.
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Hi there argyllgran,
Your efforts are boundless and impressive.I just wish I had the knowledge to do likewise.I have just made contact with a relative who hopefully can provide the right answer.I mistakenly thought that people didn't move around much in those days,so based a lot on that theary,how folks met etc.I hadn't realised that there were so many coal mines in a relatively small area till I looked in to it all.I lived in Cwmdare as a baby,right in the sight of a pithead and have been to Wales over the years since several times and still didn't twig it.It was a proper COALRUSH.Thankyou as ever.ps.Should I message you personally or in the box(like this) ?I will let you know whatever info I receive from relatives.I bet you will be right though !!!! :-)
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You're welcome, Val!
Please post any more discoveries on this thread. Others who have helped may be interested too.
Good luck with your search.
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Hi there folks,I have a question for you.My fathers brother was brought up in some institution or other after he was born (not sure how old he would have been ) following the death of his mother.He was mentally retarded to a degree and lived wherever it was till he was an adult.His name was Austin Williams (no middle name)born 1925 in Hirwaun,Aberdare,Glamorganshire.Parents Charlotte and John Charles Williams.How do you trace where he went ? Can you get access to the list of inmates.I know there were cottage childrens homes but I seem to recall my dad telling me (years ago)that Austin lived with a mixture of orphans,mentally ill and elderly patients.My grandmothers death may be linked to Austins birth as the 2 dates are close,another mystery !! Any pointers people ? :-)
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Might this be his DC reg?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Austin Williams
Austin Williams
Birth Date: 11 Jun 1925
Date of Registration: Mar 1998
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Register Number: A10B
District and Subdistrict: 8901A
Entry number: 129
If he was still in care, the place of death or usual residence might be of interest. If it was a 'home' of some sort, they might be still have his records and allow you to view. However, they could be covered by the 100 year privacy laws which would be a bit of a bummer.
Similarly, if he was born in what had previously been a work house, the discharge books may give a hint where he initially went. Many WH Infirmaries were converted to hospitals for the general public
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Hi there,
Thankyou for your interest.Austin was actually born in Gamlyn Terrace,Penywaun,near Hirwaun,Aberdare.His mother died shortly after,(cause unknown to me) his birth leaving my father aged 3 and Austin.Assuming my grandfather still had to work,my dad was cared for by a neighbour/relative and Austin went in to care as he was mentally retarded to some degree and possably too much responsability for the neighbour/relative. The date of birth is right and DOD seems probable too.I do know he spent some years as an adult ,after his departure from care,over in Cardiff.I suppose it logical that he went in to care as local to home as possable.If that is the case then Aberdare is the closest main town.I am fortunate in that I have some local knowledge of towns and villages and their relationship to each other.I did live in that area as a baby and visited relations up until my 20's. :-)
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