Genealogy Chat

Hello Madmeg

Point taken and I would normally never give up searching or leaving it on a back burner for a while. However it is clear that the Soller line ended here without any offspring.

Regards

Tony

Wot! You are giving up? Oh, no Tony, we don't do that. I am glad that you think Lindsey and I have done a lot (well mainly Lindsey), but the truth is out there somewhere.

Depends how keen you are to know the ancestry, and only you can decide that. So if you are keen, the first thing you do is get the marriage cert of Sophia Lissette and Edmund J Amos, and see what it says. We are struggling to find anything concrete without it.

But if you are happy to leave it as unsolved, that is your choice. Personally, I couldn't do that - it might just be that one family that leads you to something really interesting, like nobility or the church, or 1066.

Up to you, my friend. £9.25 might open up a whole new family. Or might do nothing for you.

Best wishes

Madmeg

Madmeg

Thank you for your continued interest in helping me. Sophia Lissette Soller was a gt aunt of mine and BMD shows that she married Edmund J Amos. I know little or nothing about him save what Lindsey and yourself have uncovered. The reason that I have tried to find out about him is that Sophia's brother Henry George had her recorded as his next of kin on his army record but with a surname Stephens. I couldn't find a marriage beween her and anyone named Stephens. As you have found, there was a lot anomalies with the usage of names by the Amos family. I think that Lindsey and yourself have done more than enough for me to show that Edmund Amos and Stephens were one of the same, but who, we'll never know?? Thank you very much for the time you have spent on this for me, it has been most useful. Tony

Can we go back to basics? Tony, could you please tell us, starting from 1901 census and then earlier, what you already have on Edmund, and where you have got it from? For example, is this him in 1901? - oops, I can't find him in 1901. He was 49 on his marriage to Sophia Soller, so is likely to have been previously married. Lindsey has a very likely marriage to Eliza in 1880, so is this them? Nope, cannot find in 1881.

Is this him in 1891? Oops, no record in 1891, 1881, 1871 or 1861. So he is not Edmund Amos.

What else do you know about him, for sure? Children? Siblings? Parents? I am reluctant to go further without more information.

HI Lindsey

Thank you. I have come across anomalies in names before but it seems weird that Edmund used Amos for his marriage. I guess it is something that cannot be explained. Thanks again. Tony

on the 1871 image it clearly says William Ames [Amos] Stephens

Hi there Lindsey

Thanks for the extra info. I think I can follow what has happened here, but cannot get my head around where the name Stephens entered the equation? Certainly on the BMD marriage records, Sophia Soller married Edmund James Amos, no mention of Stephens. On the 1871 census William Eagles Stephens' or Amos' wife may well have been Mary Ann Mann??
Tony

1871 England Census about Edmund J Stephens
Name: Edmund J Stephens
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Stephens
Mother's name: Mary Ann Stephens
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shadwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stephens 47 slaughterman & carman
Mary Ann Stephens 36
Augustus Stephens 17
Edmund J Stephens 13
Mennie Stephens 10
Samuel Stephens 11 Months
Thomas Gordon 18
Maria Beal 16

1841 England Census about Willm Amos
Name: Willm Amos
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Castle Thorpe
Hundred: Newport
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub-registration district: Olney
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
>>>>Willm Amos 15
Thomas Amos 10
Sarah Amos 10
Amelia Amos 5
Farmer Amos 5

this is where Eagles comes from



FARMER AMOS
Pedigree
Male
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH EAGLES
Family
Marriage:
1821 Cropredy, Oxford, England

badly spelt

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about William Amos
Name: William Amos Pork Butcher
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Marin
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1852
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Farmer Amos Farmer
Spouse Father Name: James Marin Gentlemans Servant

witness James Mann
Jane Amos

LIndsey, Jan, Mad Meg. Thank you all for your help. It seems strange how Sophia became known to her brother as Sophia Stephens, but the info you dug up at least points to how and probably why?? But as for the husband dropping Edmund for Edward who knows??

Thanks again

Tony

William Eagles Amos
Birth
abt 1824
in, Northamptonshire, , England
Death
Sep 1882
inLondon, Middlesex, United Kingdom

Hi Lindsey. The record that I saw re Willaim Eagles Amos had a wife Mary Ann Mann, but includes both Edmund J and Thomas Amos amongst a host of children.
Tony

another marriage same father

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Thomas Walter Amos
Name: Thomas Walter Amos Butcher
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Maria Seymour
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1876
Parish: St John of Jerusalem
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Eagle Amos Carman
Spouse Father Name: Charles Seymour

Lindsey. Thanks again. It all seems somewhat confusing but I recollect seeing the name William Eagle Amos on someone else's tree recently. Tony

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Eliza Dickson
Name: Eliza Dickson
Spouse Name: Edmund James Stephen Amos contractor
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 09 Nov 1880
Parish: St John of Jerusalem
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Thomas Dickson
Spouse Father Name: William Eagle Amos carman


Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
AMOS Edmund James S Hackney 1b 775
Dickson Eliza Hackney 1b 775

Lindsey and Madmeg. Thank you very much, seems strange that the surname Stephens should have come from a first name, but no record of Edmund James. Thanks again. Jan I am not sure of his occupation as have not looked backwards on him as of yet.
Tony

This looks the most likely - there are not many to choose from:

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AMOS, Edward Stephens Head Married M 53 1858 Manager London Bethnal Green VIEW
AMOS, Sophia Stephens Wife Married
3 years F 47 1864 London Clerkenwell VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1540 Reference:
RG14PN1540 RG78PN54 RD20 SD1 ED11 SN154

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Shadwell & Ratcliff Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Shadwell

Address:
13 High St: Shadwell E

AMOS, Edward Stephens Head Married M 53 1858 Manager London Bethnal Green VIEW
AMOS, Sophia Stephens Wife Married 3 years F 47 1864 London Clerkenwell VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1540 Reference:
RG14PN1540 RG78PN54 RD20 SD1 ED11 SN154

Registration District:
Stepney Sub District:
Shadwell & Ratcliff Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Shadwell

Address:
13 High St: Shadwell