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Netty
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28 Aug 2010 21:30 |
Hi Helen, sorry for the delay, the information posted was from Ancestry, England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
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Chris in Sussex
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27 Aug 2010 23:30 |
Ozibird
Spooky........Doesn't seem to cover it!!!!
I have always thought that our ancestors are 'up there' deciding when we should find the info we need to further our research....One of mine 'appeared' in similar circumstances!
Obviously Helen's were watching me at Kew and nudged her to put the request on the board knowing I would be around to pick it up and would 'go the extra mile' to check my photos lol :-)
Chris
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Ozibird
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27 Aug 2010 23:04 |
Wow! Helen, isn't that wonderful news? Talk about serendipity, well done Chris.
Ozi
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Helen
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27 Aug 2010 17:05 |
I'm in a state of (pleasant) shock Thank you so much.
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Chris in Sussex
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27 Aug 2010 13:53 |
4687 Christopher Prince 45 Stealing Wheat Wells 25 March 1839 Healthy Very Good Pardoned 11 Jan? 1843
If you want a copy please pm me your e.mail address
Chris
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27 Aug 2010 13:44 |
OMG
I have an entry for Christopher on at least one of the pages I photographed...
Hold on and I will post the details. Chris
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Chris in Sussex
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27 Aug 2010 13:30 |
As it happens I spent a day, 2 weeks ago, at Kew looking at the Leviathan Convict Hulk records.
My 3xGGrandfather was sentanced to transportation for 7 years in 1839 and was sent to the Leviathan. He was never transported and was pardoned from the hulk in 1843. I think it was probably about the time the hulk was to be broken up and they were freeing some prisoners so they didn't have to be transfered elsewhere.
The books were completed quarterly March, June, September and December. The prisoner was allocated a prison number so it was easy to find my man in each book.
The headings are Prison Number. Name Age Crime Convicted Where Convicted When Sentence Married or Single Read or Write Trade Goalers Report How Disposed Off
Over the period the details for my man remained the same except for the Goalers report which identified two misdemeanors he commited onboard and his general behaviour.
The first entry for your man would help identify him if you are willing to send for it, but you would need the series of entries to see if anything interesting happened during his time onboard. You will also need the final entry to see the reason for and date of release
The 'How disposed off' column gave his pardon and date but others gave date of death, transportation, transfer ect.
Chris
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Helen
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27 Aug 2010 13:18 |
Thanks all for being so helpful. Netty - As I am trying to learn as I go along it would be useful to know how you got that information (not that I am expecting to find loads more convicts in my family's past!).
I know that he remained in England and survived many years longer. Is there a way of finding out when he was released and why? Helen
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27 Aug 2010 04:52 |
Hi Helen, I've looked for him on all the convicts to Australia sites but haven't found him. That doesn't mean he wasn't transported - just not in the lists as there are lots of gaps. Convicts often stayed on the hulks in the Thames or at Portsmouth until a place could be found on a ship - sometimes up to three years! Conditions were very bad and many died. Have a look at: http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/res-06.html The Leviathan was in Portsmouth harbour and was broken up in 1843, so he was either moved to another hulk or transported. I have someone in my tree who died on a hulk in the Thames before he could be transported. HTH Barry
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Ozibird
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27 Aug 2010 03:39 |
From http://www.communigate.co.uk/twc/princefamily/page1.phtml
CHRISTOPHER PRINCE b: 17 February 1796 in WANSTROW d: 2 April 1873 in WANSTROW .......... .+RACHAEL COX b: 1793 in WANSTROW m: 3 July 1815 in WANSTROW d: 30 June 1888 in D WITHAM BUR WANSTROW
I would say his age was spot on in 1841. 1841: Christ Prince abt 1796 Portsea Town, Hampshire - Leviathan Convict Hulk, and notice he's not born in county.
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Netty
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27 Aug 2010 00:22 |
Are these of any help to you
Name: Christopher Prince Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1794 Date of Trial: 25 Mar 1839 Trial Year: 1839 Location of Trial: Somerset, England Sentence: Transportation 7 years. Crime: Larceny before convicted of felony.
Name: Christopher Prince Date of Trial: Epiphany 1831 Trial Year: 1831 Location of Trial: Somerset, England Sentence: Imprisonment 1 month. Crime: Larceney
Name: Christopher Prince Date of Trial: Lent 1817 Trial Year: 1817 Location of Trial: Somerset, England Sentence: Acquittal Crime: Burglary
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Peter
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26 Aug 2010 23:37 |
Helen,
Have you tried contemporary newspapers?
Peter
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Helen
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26 Aug 2010 23:06 |
Is there a way I can find out why someone was in prison and for how long?
I have an ancestor named Christopher Prince (b1800ish in Wanstrow, Somerset) who spent some time in Ilchester gaol (there is a record for him 29/03/1839). I have a reference of Q/AG1 15/4
In the 1841 census he is not with his wife Rachael and children, who remain in Wanstrow. There is, however, a Chrisr Prince on Leviathan Convict Hulk and I think it is likely it is the same person, although his age is about 4 years out.
Thanks in advance
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