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hi
ive tried to find marriages for alfred henry evans born 26th nov bow london 1891 b 20th dec 1891 bethnal green london
i believe he married sometime between 1910 -1915 in london
also a marriage for albert evans b 1894 west ham london
i believe he married sometime between 1914-1920 london
when i searched free bmd for both it came up too many for the name evans
any info appreciated

Do you know anything more about them? Their occupations then/later? Their father's name and occupation?

Are they brothers? Have you found them together on a census?

thier fathers name was charles evans he was a mineral water manufacturer
yes they are brothers
thats what i have now

Is this him, with family?

1901 England Census
about Alfred Evans
Name: Alfred Evans
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bow, London, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Forest Gate
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Evans 49
Elizabeth Evans 47
Arthur Evans 14
Sidney Evans 12
Alfred Evans 9
Albert Evans 7
Frederick Evans 4

If so, a tree on Ancestry has him marrying Evereld Marion Freeman, and his mother as Elizabeth Finnis.

The 1901 family has Charles as a Slater.

The tree on Ancestry has him born 26 Nov 1891.

madmeg
thank you thats him

does it give more details ie date of marr please
is there any chance i can contact the tree owner or them myself

It seems that mother Elizabeth was widowed and remarried:

PreviewName: Elizabeth Evans
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Olave Bermondsey (1902-1913)
County: London
Volume: 1d

Elizabeth Evans 1908 St Olave Bermondsey (1902-1913) London
James Lambert 1908 St Olave Bermondsey (1902-1913) London

Here's the 1911 census with younger son Frederick (not sure where Elizabeth Jnr has come from):

LAMBERT, James Head Married M 39 1872 Waterside Labourer General London Rotherhithe VIEW
LAMBERT, Elizabeth Wife Married
3 years F 39 1872 London Bermondsey VIEW
EVANS, Elizabeth Stepdaughter Single F 18 1893 Biscuit Packer London Bermondsey VIEW
EVANS, Frederick Stepson Single M 15 1896 Errand Boy London Bermondsey Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1923 Reference:
RG14PN1923 RG78PN68 RD24 SD3 ED10 SN180

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Rotherhithe Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
5 Seaford Buildings Swan Lane Rotherhithe County:
London

EDIT - Elizabeth is the wrong age.

Death of Charles?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Charles Evans
Name: Charles Evans
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 54
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 286 (click to see others on page)

No, it gives no marriage date, nor any siblings of Alfred Henry.

You can only contact the tree owner through Ancestry - I can do it for you if you tell me what to ask.

mad meg
this is interesting charles evans died 1905
so elizabeth marr 1908 james lambert this explains why i could not find her death with the name evans
thank you thats very helpful

ive sent pm to you

Here's that marriage:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Evereld Freeman
Name: Evereld Freeman
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's Surname: Evans
District: Romford
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 698 (click to see others on page)

Spouse Alfred Evans (one of two possibles).

I'd want the marriage certificate to be convinced it was your Alfred, or full details from the person on Ancestry.

MISTAKE! The Elizabeth Lambert in 1911 is the wrong age.

Here' s Evereld Marion in 1911:

DEAN, Thomas Head Married M 35 1876 Coach Builder Wickford SX VIEW
DEAN, Thomas Head Married M 35 1876 Coach Builder Wickford SX VIEW
DEAN, Ethel Maude Daughter F 2 1909 Wickford SX VIEW
DEAN, Jack Lewis Son M 1 1910 Wickford SX VIEW
FREEMAN, Evereld Marion Visitor F 14 1897 London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10029 Reference:
RG14PN10029 RG78PN527 RD193 SD2 ED13 SN166

Registration District:
Billericay Sub District:
Wickford Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Wickford

Address:
Ivy Dene High Street Wickford County:
Essex

So now I've realised the Elizabeth Evans marrying James Lambert isn't yours, I can't find any of the Evans lot in 1911.

Will send a message to the Ancestry person on June's behalf.

Possible death of Elizabeth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Evans
Name: Elizabeth Evans
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 52
District: Paddington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)

The tree on Ancestry has no death for either Charles John or Elizabeth.

thank you anyway its appreciated

June, have sent a message to the Ancestry tree owner, no reply as yet and may not get one.

I am a bit concerned that you said Charles was a mineral water manufacturer, but the 1901 census has him as a slater. How sure are you that that is the correct family in 1901? Where did you discover him to be a mineral water manufacturer? Presumably from the marriage cert of one of his children?

hi
thank you anyway
yes sometimes gives him as a mineral water manufacturer but also as a slater
the charles you kindly found for me is my great grandfather

Hi Meg,

This 1891 entry gives the occupation as mineral water manufacturer:

Name: Charles Evans
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, London, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 60

Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Evans 40
Elizabeth Evans 38
Elizabeth Evans 16
Emily Evans 13
Charles Evans 11
Alice Evans 9
Elen Evans 7
Beatrice Evans 5
Arthur Evans 3
Sydney Evans 10/12

Class: RG12; Piece: 1330; Folio 108; Page 8