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Hi Victoria,i have also been puzzled by the Wilson part as i have found my grand mothers wedding Clarissa Stella, her surname is only down as Way and she married a George William Thomas Tolman in the 3rd quarter in 1941 at Neath (Wales) and my g g grandmother was known as Mary Lizzie and i know that is the name registered for her death thank you for looking at the records.

Hi Stella,

There are a couple of things I find intruiging.

Mary/May has also got an intial 'W' in 1901 that is not given in 1911.

Clarissa Stella's birth has been registered twice. I am wondering if you could read quite a bit into the WILSON part of the name.

Mind you, PROVING that a particular Mr Wilson was your Gt grandfather would not be easy..

I have looked comprehensively for a marriage of a Mary/May to Albert Howell between 1902 - 1911 [and especially in the two years before the 1911 census]. With no success. I looked also for marriages for a May/Mary Way to someone else and then a remarriage in the married name. I had no success with that either:(

Must go and move the garden shed!!
Sorry I wasn't able to find May/Mary
Victoria

I have started to put a tree together on ancestry but i cant find a marriage between my g g gran and Albert so maybe she took his name on anyway i cannot ever remember my nan ever talking about a stepfather

Albert's history from a Public Family Tree on ancestry ....... which of course would need you to check the data!


Mould and Family Connections
Owner: wjmould

Albert Howell

Timeline

1851
Mar
Birth
Awre, Gloucestershire, England

5 source citations

1881
Sep
Age: 30
Marriage to Mary Ann Sims
Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire, England

1922
Mar
Age: 71
Death
Newport M , Glamorgan , Gwent , Monmouthshire.


Parents

George Howell
1802 –

Charlotte Howell
1804 –

Siblings

Maria Howell
1829 –

John Howell
1841 –

Charles Howell
1844 –


Spouse & Children

Mary Ann Sims
1854 – 1907


Albert Howell
1883 –

Alberta M Howell
1884 –

Esther Howell
1885 –

Joseph Sims Howell
1886 – 1935

Albert G Howell
1888 –

Wm John Howell
1890 –

Charles Henry Howell
1891 –

Elizabeth M Howell
1895 –

Victor S Howell
1897 –





so Mary Ann died in 1907 ........................ but there is no mention on this tree of Albert marrying again.




sylvia

here's Albert Howell in 1901, with his first wife and family


1901 Census

Name: Albert Howell
Age in 1901: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born:Aure, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Maindee John
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Newport

Albert Howell 50 Labourer Fuel Works
Mary Ann Howell 47 b.ca 1854, Aure, Gloucestershire
Alberta M Howell 17
Ester C Howell 16
Joe S Howell 15
Albert E Howell 13
William J Howell 11
Charles H Howell 9
Elizabeth M Howell 6
Victor S Howell 4

Address:- 86 Duckpool Rd




sylvia

stella

is it your Family Tree on ancestry?




sylvia

Is it possible my g g gran just took on the name of Howell and i also remember my nan taking me to Gold Cliff in Newport to a farm and i think her name might have been Dorothy,im so pleased you have passed this info onto me thank you its a shame i cant trace more.

Looks like May (probably Mary mis-transcribed on 1911 census) was born in Cumberland.

There is a Kirlington in Cumberland, which could have been mis-understood on the 1901 census as Kirk Linton.

The birth certificate of Clarissa will at least confirm Mary's surname at birth.

Haven't found a marriage for Albert Howell and Mary though.

This looks like Dorothy's birth and her birth certificate might help.


Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Howell Dorothy Maud Newport M 11a 265

That last bit of info has confused me but i do remember my nan saying that her mother worked at the golf course in Newport (wales) because from when i grew up our address had always been Abertillery

1911

HOWELL, ALBERT HEAD MARRIED M 60 SIGNAL FITTER AYRE GLOUCESTER
HOWELL, MAY WIFE MARRIED 2 F 35 STEWARDESS CARLISLE CUMBERLAND
WAY, CLARISSA STEPDAUGHTER F 12 NEWTON ABBOT DEVONSHIRE
HOWELL, DOROHTY VISITOR F 6 NEWPORT MONMOUTHSHIRE
MORRIS, ELLEN SERVANT SINGLE F 18 DOMESTIC SERVANT NEWPORT MONMOUTHSHIRE


HOWELL MAY (RG14PN31996 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED37 SN386)
Address GOLF LIMPS LADY HILL NEWPORT County Monmouthshire
District Newport Subdistrict Newport
Enumeration District 37 Parish Newport


Married 2 years

My nan,s birthdate is the 29th of May but i dont no anything about her mother only what i have already posted

Yes Choccy this is my nan but it was her mother i was trying to trace back but without any luck thanks for putting the details on here

this is Clarissa's birth

Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
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WAY Clarissa Stella Newton A. 5b 117
WILSON-WAY Clarissa Stella Newton A. 5b 117

is this her -

1901 England Census
Name: Clarissa S W Way
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary W
Gender: Female
Where born: Newton Abbot

Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton St Paul
Town: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
Mary W Way 29
Clarissa S W Way 2




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2367; Folio: 27; Page: 12.

Hello Chris,I was brought up with my grandmother but she has passed on many years now i am waiting t o have my g,mothers death certificate and her name is not to common so this is why i really thought i was on the right track

Stella

Can we go back to what you have proved to be fact....And are you sure this is your Grandmother?

Your Grandmother is?....Clarrisa Stella born Newton Abbott (presume this is Devon?) born c.1899

Do you have her birth certificate? If so can you please post the details from it.

Chris

Thank you for getting back to me,the 1901 census shows my g g gran aged 29 married a nurse born in Kirk Linton her name is Mary Lizzie Way but living in Bristol,but when she died they have her aged 70 with the surname of Howell.Also on the 1901 was my nan aged 2 Clarissa Stella born in Newton Abbot.i do not no anything else about my g g gran.i did find a Mary Lizzie Howell born in Kirk Linton aged 33 a servant and single and that was on a 1901 census

Stella - you appear to have a similar thread on General. This can be confusing for people wanting to help you. Perhaps you could delete one of the threads?

Sue

can you tell us all the information you have on her

Can anyone help me i have traced my grandmother as to living in bristol in the 1901 census,but i cant trace her before that and her age at her death doesnt tally with her birth date there is a 5 year difference, advice plz