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22 Jan 2010 16:08 |
I am so confused with this, could someone give me the benefit of their expertise. This is what I have.
Edgar Pashley born in Bolsover on 3/6/1892 to George Pashley and Sarah Ann nee White.
George Pashley 20 yrs and Sarah Ann Hilton 22 yrs married on 24/11/1879 at St Marys in Chesterfield. Sarahs father is John Hilton a brickmaker. Witnesses were John Hilton and Emma White. I believe Sarah just made her mark.
This is the only marriage I can find for a George Pashley in the right time frame.
I have the family in the 1911 census which states George and Sarah have been married for 32 years which ties in with the 1879 marriage. Edgar has been transcribed as Egar.
In 1881 George and Sarah are with the White family. John a brickmaker, his wife Elizabeth, their daughter Emma, son Frank and boarder Frank Watts. George Pashley has been listed as boarder and Sarah as his wife.
I believe I have John and Elizabeth in the 1871 census. As well as their son Thomas aged 19, their daughters Sarah Ann and Emma are also listed. Sarah Anns place of birth is Lincolnshire, the same as Georges wife Sarah and Emmas is Yorkshire, as it is in 1881.
Could there have been a mistake made on the marriage details? It seems starnge that Johns occupation was a brickmaker on the marriage certificate (as was John Whites) White is Sarahs maiden name on Edgars birth certificate and the witness Emma White also shown with a Sarah Ann White on the 1871 census.
Hope I've explained it well enough.
Chris
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22 Jan 2010 16:26 |
Hi Jonesey,
Thank you for replying.
What I don't understand is where the name Hilton came from. My thoughts are that when she and George are with the White family in 1881, they are actually her parents. I have not been able to find her with a John Hilton.
Chris
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22 Jan 2010 16:41 |
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Name: Sarah Ann White Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Elizh Gender: Female Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Nether Hallam Ecclesiastical parish: Heeley Town: Heeley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 56 Household schedule number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John White 31 Elizh White 40Heckington, Lincolnshire Thomas White 19Heckington, Lincolnshire Sarah Ann White 13 Emma White 8
looks like John white is 2nd husband
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22 Jan 2010 16:44 |
Hi June,
Thank you for trying to help. In 1881 Elizabeth is shown to be only 1 year older than husband John. Daughter Emmas age is consistant with the entry in 1871. I am finding this very confusing.
Chris
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22 Jan 2010 16:49 |
1861 Son Thomas White is thomas Hilton
1861 Name: Thomas Hilton Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Heckington, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Heckington Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Sleaford Sub-registration district: Heckington ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 151 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hilton 82 Mary Hilton 43 Ann Hilton 13 Thomas Hilton 10 Elizabeth Hilton 6
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22 Jan 2010 16:56 |
Hi folks, I must be missing something you experts can see.
Jonesey found what looks like Sarah Anns birth reg under the name White.
The possible marriage for John and Elizabeth gives the name Hilton which is where my confusion comes in. Johns surname is White but on Sarahs marriage it states John Hilton is her father but Hilton was Elizabeths maiden name.
Chris
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22 Jan 2010 17:11 |
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Name: Sarah Ann White Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Bradfield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Wortley Sub-registration district: Bradfield ED, institution, or vessel: 13e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 155 Household Members: Name Age John White 26 Elizabeth White 27 Sarah Ann White 3 Mary Elizabeth White 1
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Chrissie2394
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22 Jan 2010 17:11 |
If I was to order her birth certificate, which would it be. On her son Edgars birth certificate she states maiden name is White. So Joneseys find looks the better bet.
On her marriage dads surname is Hilton so Junes could be right. Unfortunately as she was 22 when she married in December 1879 so both fit the bill, grrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Chris
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22 Jan 2010 20:01 |
Chrissie maybe she didnt have a father and called her stepfather her father if everything else fits
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22 Jan 2010 21:39 |
Hi June,
Thank you for your help. I think I will just have to send for the Sarah Ann White birth certificate as White is the given maiden name on her sons birth certificate.
Because of that, the fact an Emma White was one of her witnesses, Sarah and George were living with Emma Whites parents and family in 1881 and Emma Watts (nee White), her husband and children were living with Sarah and George in 1891 makes me think they were very closely related, possibly sisters. I just wish I could sort it out, it's giving me a right headache.
Chris
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22 Jan 2010 22:12 |
this could be her no father
IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print SARAH ANN HILTON Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 27 JUN 1858 New Sleaford, Lincoln, England Death: Burial: Parents: Mother: ELIZABETH HILTON Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C030434 1851 - 1875 0989861, 0989862 Film 6907830 Film Sheet: 00
IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print SARAH ANN HILTON Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 02 SEP 1857 New Sleaford, Lincoln, England Death: Burial: Parents: Mother: ELIZTH. HILTON Family Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C030434 1851 - 1875 0989861, 0989862 Film 6907830 Film Sheet: 00
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22 Jan 2010 22:53 |
1881 for ref tried to look at image on ancestry but its the wrong image
ame: Sarah Pashley Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Gender: Female Where born: Heckington, Lincoln, England Civil parish: Eckington County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street Address: Eckington Marsh Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Chesterfield Sub-registration district: Eckington ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John White 42 Elizabeth White 43 George Pashley 22 Sarah Pashley 23 Emma White 18 Frank White 5 Frank Watts 19
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3441; Folio: 30; Page: 54; GSU roll: 1341823.
its page 56 not 54
Births Sep 1857 (96%) Hilton Sarah Ann Sleaford 7a 352
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23 Jan 2010 09:08 |
Hi June,
Thank you so much for trying to help me.
What is throwing me is that if she was illegitimate and born as Hilton, why does she give White as her maiden name on her sons birth certificate.
Also the family I found in the census looks like John White and wife Elizabeth nee Hilton, so Elizabeth is probably Sarah Anns mother. But why is dad named as John Hilton on Sarahs marriage and also a witness.
Sorry to go on but this is really doing my head in.
Chris
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