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Received birth cert for Charlotte yesterday - mother Cecilia formerly Hunt, father William Henry, locksmith.

Still leaves the mystery of why she used Ann on 1861 census - maybe enumerator was hard of hearing or Ann was her everyday name and Cecilia was only used on Sundays.

Best wishes

Miriam

Yes, I realised that if it was your William it would make him 15. Not the norm I would have thought, although one of my ancestors married in 1835 at aged 15.

Hi Alison

Yes we did - thanks again for all the help.

Yes I realise this William is another person - part of my "extended" Goater family.

Thanks guys for all your input on this. I am waiting for cert to confirm if William's wife is Ann/ Cecilia/ one and the same. Will update when it lands.

Re the marriage of William to Ann Francis - he would only have been 15 - not sure if marriage that early was the norm?

Thanks for all the interest, much appreciated.

Best wishes

Miriam

Hi Miriam

I did some research for you in 2007 where we thought that your William Goater was baptised 24 Feb 1828 Sparsholt, son of William, labourer and Rebecca.
William's father, William Goater, widower, had married Rebecca Miles, also a widow in 1827 in Sparsholt.
He was married initially to Elizabeth Sims in 1813 and Elizabeth died in 1823. They had a bunch of children.
The information came from the knightroots website for Hampshire.

When William remarried Rebecca they seemed to have the one child, William, as seen in the 1841 census (under Goates - where William is at home aged 13 with parents William and Rebecca).

It seemed to all fit as we figured out the Brewer link also on his son's death certificate.

The other William Goater born Portsea would seem to be another person.

Alison

Brother John in 1851:

1851 England Census
about John Goates
Name: John Goates
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holloway St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 67
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
John Goates 36
Mary Goates 30
Mary Goates 12
George Goates 9
Edward Goates 7
Charlotte Goates 2

Rose

Mother in 1851:

1851 England Census
about Sarah Goates
Name: Sarah Goates
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1787
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsea
Civil parish: St Mildred Bread Street
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: London City
Name Age
Henry R Wincott 38
Amelia Wincott 34
Amelia Wincott 7
Mary Wincott 4
Henry Wincott 4
Ann Wincott 3
John Wincott 1
Sarah Goates 64
Charlotte Jones 16
William Wright 21
George Hopkins 16
William Purkiss 18

Rose

William's siblings:

1. GEORGE GOATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 SEP 1805 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

2. MARY ANN GOATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 DEC 1815 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

3. JOHN DURY GOATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 OCT 1813 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

4. SARAH GOATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 DEC 1811 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

5. SELINA GOATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 JUN 1817 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

6. ROBERT GEORGE GOATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 OCT 1809 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

7. CHARLOTTE GOATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 OCT 1807 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

8. CAROLINE ELIZABETH GOTTER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 APR 1822 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

Some of William's children have these names.

Rose

A William Goter married an Ann Francis 14 Feb 1836, St. Mary at Ealing.

Just to add

George GOTTER (sic) married Sarah VALLAS 28 August 1803 at Portsea St Mary

and

William GOATER married Eleanor MUNT 14 June 1807 at Winchester St Thomas

There are 2 William Henry GOATERs !

The Baptism Index has:-

10 Aug 1817-William Henry s William & Eleanor GOATER at Winchester St Thomas

14 May 1820-William Henry s George & Sarah GOTTER (sic) at Portsea St Mary

Free BMD has a William Henry Goater marrying an Ellen WADE at Winchester 3rd Q 1841
and
William Henry Goater marrying a Cecilia HUNT at Lambeth 3rd Q 1842

Just as well to get the certificate !

Once you establish which one is yours I can probaly help take it back.

the children to both Ann and cecilia are the same if you check the names and ages, I would say its a good chance they are the same family and maybe William called her Ann rather than Cecilia OR maybe the eneumerator made a mistake with his record .I have census where names differ but its the same family .

Thanks to everyone for input. As far as I can tell there are 2 Williams - one married to Ann (1861 census) and one married to Cecilia - both seem to be locksmiths.

Further to Shirley's suggestion I have ordered birth cert for Charlotte which should give me Ann's surname. Then i can attempt to find marriage and hopefully parent's details.

Best wishes

Miriam

1851:

1851 England Census
about William Eater
Name: William Eater
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Cecilia
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
William Eater 29
Cecilia Eater 29
Charlotte Eater 8
Cecilia Eater 5
Willm Eater 3
Robert Eater 1

Rose

Thanks Corrinne.

From my research it appears there is also a William Henry Goater who is a Chubb Patent Locksmith who married a Cecilia Hunt - not sure yet where he fits in.

Best wishes

Miriam

Thanks Shirley. Will order cert (and hide bank statement from OH).

Best wishes

Miriam

NOW according to the 1871 census his wife is called Cecilia!!
so

Name: William Henry Goater - occ Locksmith
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Spouse Name: Cecilia Hunt -full age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Aug 1842
Parish: Saint Mary At Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: George Goater -deceased occ Smith
Spouse Father Name: George Hunt occ Letter founder??
address for both Charles Street

banns
Name: William Henry Goater
Spouse Name: Cecilia Hunt
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 17 Jul 1842
Parish: Saint Mary At Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth


This would tie nicely with Charlottes birth and area

Charlotte Goater poss
Name: Charlotte Goater
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 4
Page: 307

according to the 1861 census she was born Lambeth!!

Rebecca the next daughter was born Wolverhampton
Mum Ann was born Finsbury Middlesex

No afraid not - OH will go mad if I order any more certs - also not sure of surname of wife Ann. Thanks for your input.

Best wishes

Miriam

Do you have his marriage cert which should name his father?

Please can anyone help find the parents of William Goater born c.1821 in Portsea, Hampshire.
At the time of the 1861 census he is living with wife Ann and children Charlotte (17), Rebecca (15), Robert (11), Annie (7), George (3) and Henry (1) in Clerkenwell, Middlesex. Also 2 lodgers; the Fowler sisters. His occupation is listed as patent locksmith. Rebecca and Robert were born in Wolverhampton and the rest of the children in Lambeth and Clerkenwell.

Any tips on the way forward gratefully received.

Best wishes

Miriam