Genealogy Chat

Lee,

I think the one born 1909 is the son of Frederick and Louisa.
See my post at 1 am on page 2.

Chances are your nan had half brothers and sisters.

Rose

Thanks Rose

I think 1909 is too late as my nan was born in 1920 and Fred Burston is her Dad. I believe the one from 1882 is the correct one as everything around him seems correct.

thanks
Lee

This looks to be his death:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Frederick William Burston
Name: Frederick William Burston
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1987
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: North Tyneside
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 1241

Rose

Can't seem to find the 2 Louisa's in 1911.

Someone called Michael has Frederick Burston born 1909 in his tree. Might be worth contacting him to see what he knows.

Rose

BTW My uncle is going to speak to the last surving daughter of Fred and May Elizabeth this weekend. She now lives in Australia. We are not even sure if she knows about Freds possible past.

Jonesy thanks for Death certifcate as well..........

Hi Rose,

I had a 2 week trial with Ancestry.co.uk, which unfortunately finished last night. Based on what you said regarding Phonetics i found the Barston one and did a search on that and found the parish records. Even though it says Barston, i believe the records entry is wrong as it does look like Burston.

I believe the 1882 Frederick Burston is the correct one now rather than the Frederick William one. the dates seem to tie in more. Thanks for the info on the Cardiff Louisa. Damn thought we had something there.

Thanks for the children names.

I think this is more likely to be Louisa in 1891 and 1901:

1891 England Census
Name: Louisa S Scott
Age: 2/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William T
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: London
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William T Scott 31
Lousia Scott 32
Elizabeth S Scott 12
William H Scott 8
George E T Scott 6
Henry J Scott 4
Louisa S Scott 2
Sarah M Scott 11/12

1901 England Census
about Louisa Scott
Name: Louisa Scott
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa Harriott 43
William Scott 18
George Scott 16
Henry Scott 14
Bertie Scott 5
Walter Scott 8
Louisa Scott 12
Thomas Harnolt 15
Bert Shaw 19
Henry Shaw 19
Thomas Shaw 15

Rose

Given some of the names, these could be their children.

Births Dec 1907
BURSTON Louisa Elizabeth Southwark 1d 26

Births Dec 1908
Burston Winifred Florence Southwark 1d 119

Deaths Jun 1910
BURSTON Winifred Florence 1 Camberwell 1d 391


Births Dec 1909
BURSTON Frederick William Southwark 1d 116


Rose

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Louisa Sophia Scott
Name: Louisa Sophia Scott
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Spouse Name: Frederick Barston
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Jul 1907
Parish: Saint Mary, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Thomas Scott
Spouse Father Name: Henry Barston

Rose

Louisa Burston in Cardiff in 1911 was born in Somerset.

Rose

You have Louisa Sophia Scott's marriage cert? How did you get this so quick?

Rose

Hi Rose,

Spoke to my mum regarding this we think you have the right death for 1945. WE believe this to be true as he was unable to attend the wedding of his daughter in December 1945 due to being dead or illness. We also checked my nans birth certificate and on there my great nan is May Elizabeth Burston nee Winter.

I looked up Frederick Burston and there is one in 1911 born 1882 living with his sisters family in Rotherhithe registered as married. His occupation was a Carman, the same job given on the marriage certificate for the marriage to Louisa Sophia Scott. I then looked up Louisa Burston. Bingo, there is one living in cardiff born 1888. Unfortunately, I don't have enough credit to see what is there.

You have been a great help......Really shocked the family as they know nothing about their grandfather. There seems to be no photos which may explain why.

Lee

You should look at the 1911 census and see if Fredrick is listed as married.

Does the 1945 death sound correct?

Chances are there were children with Louisa Sophia Scott.

There's a Frederick William Burston that keeps catching my attention. He's with a family of Simmonds in 1911.

Rose

Thanks Paula I have had a look on there but again you have to get the name right and the way they used to Index records it can be hard to confirm if correct.

Rose, very interested where you got the information from. I just spoke to my mum and she was shocked to hear your theory. The Louisa Burston is this the marriage from 1907?? it is quite possible that they never marrried and the children took their fathers surname. You have come up with more inof then I have found in weeks. Much appreciated.

Lee

Here's my theory. Frederick was married Louisa Sophia Scott so he couldn't marry May.

There's this death:

Deaths Dec 1945
Burston Frederick 61 Lewisham 1d 717

and then she is free to marry:

Marriages Mar 1946
Burston Louisa S Russell Deptford 1d 1176

There are no births for a Louisa S Burston.

Rose

Lee,

I was thinking there's no marriage because Frederick was already married.

Rose

Births Dec 1917
Burston Ivy M Winter Southwark 1d 96

Births Jun 1920
Burston May R E Winter Southwark 1d 140

Births Dec 1922
Burston George W Winter Southwark 1d 78

Births Jun 1925
Burston Frances L Winter Southwark 1d 113

Rose

Also, where is the best place to find death records for 1935 onwards as I believe Frederick Burston died around 1940.

Wow thanks for all the replies.

Some of the stuff is what I have found earlier, but unfortunately can't confirm if they are correct or not.

I believe they lived in Southwark and Rose very interested in the 4 children you have found between 1917 and 1925. My nan May Rose Emily Burston was born in 1920. Also the Fredrick Burston birth in St Olave as well. Rose I did the see the 1907 marriage but what put me off was the date as this would have made my great nan 14 when she married.Thanks for all your replies this has been a great help.

Wonder if these are relatives, Greenwich is not too far from the areas given.

Marriages Mar 1916

Burston Edith E Winter Greenwich 1d 1774
Burstow Edith E Winter Greenwich 1d 1774
Winter William J Burstow Greenwich 1d 1774