Genealogy Chat

Oh dear, I did just type a reply but it seems to have disappeared.

Rose, yes they are mine - it was the Mondonheart which threw me but then I realised it was a bad transcription for Maidenhead.

Irene, thank you I will try that. At least it will maybe tell me the name of the family and it could be that Rosina or Rose was perhaps not transcribed correctly. I did find my g.father in the 1881 transcribed as Martin instead of Walter and my other g.father Michael appeared as Heinrich.

Very grateful for all your help, much appreciated.

Kathleen

I did trawl through a lot of the pages of the 1871 census on Ancestry but did not find her.
If you put just Ann in the name search without a surname and place of birth as Glasshouse Yard nothing else then press search there are 50 odd pages if you start at 1 and go through each one you may find her or the addresses you are looking for. Good luck Irene

Kathleen,

That 1861 must be yours. Joseph is actually 50 on the image and is a shoe maker. Martha is born Maidenhead, Joseph Jr is born Reading and Henry is born London.

Rose

You can look for an address but its a bit of a trawl. You need to find the district and then check the enumerators area.

It shows all the streets covered I cant do it because I no longer have Ancestry. You already know its a few streets away from Glasshouse Yard

Sorry I had to be away from my computer for a while. Thank you everyone for your replies.

Choccy, the 1851 census is my family, they were living at 1 Park Road in Bray
although Joseph was in fact 45 - he was definitely born in 1806. Nothing unusual in the age not being strictly correct .
However the 1861 is not my family - odd though that not only do the names tally but the location being Glasshouse Yard.
It also does appear the death you found does fit - I will have to send for the certificate, it is too close not to take a chance on it being the right one.

Nicky, yes that is Martha's baptism, I know her parents were William and Maria - also that the name often appeared as Gibbins - so that ties in with her birth date.

Rose, I did search for a death for both Joseph and Henry but didn't find anything. It does appear to be the answer - again I think I will have to get the certificate to make sure.

Is it possible to search the 1871 census by address? I only know that in 1873 Rosina appears to be living at 2 Brackley Street, Barbican - which as I have said is only a few streets away from Glasshouse Yard. Are there any orphanages in that area?

Thanks again to everyone for your help. Maybe getting the death certificates may give some answers.

Kathleen

This might explain why you can't find Joseph after 1861:


Births Sep 1852
Coxhead Joseph Henry Reading 2c 317

Deaths Dec 1861
Coxhead Joseph Henry E London 1c 13

Rose

With reference to Marthas possible year of birth...could this not be her baptism..?


MARTHA Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 22 MAR 1829 Cookham, Berkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM GIBBINS Family
Mother: MARIA



Nicky

EDIT Age fits in with the death registry in Lambeth from Choccy....

possibly -

Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Gibbins Martha 55 Lambeth 1d 251

Irene, thank you for your reply.

Her father's occupation on her birth certificate is Cordwainer. On her marriage certificate Rosina gave his name as John (this was the name of her father's brother - but he had emigrated to Australia in 1855) and his occupation as Bootmaker. Joseph was 70 when he died in 1876 - so he was 59 when she was born.
Rosina married Walter Bird, his brother-in-law Edward Reading was one witness and the other signed as just E.Coxhead. Her address was given as 21 James Street, Marylebone (oddly enough Walter lived at 12 James Street in the 1881 census) - but that was not where they met. She has no occupation shown.

Kathleen

1861 England Census
Name: Martha Coxhead
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Mondonheart, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Glasshouse Yard
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Coxhead 30
Martha Coxhead 34
Joseph Coxhead 8
Henry Coxhead 2
Henry Hellman 30
Rebecca Hellman 52
Jane Quarry 25
Mary Quarry 2




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 215; Folio: 87; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542593.

1851 England Census
Name: Martha Coxhead
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Cookham, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Bray
Town: Maidenhead
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Cookham
Sub-registration district: Bray
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Coxhead 39
Martha Coxhead 22
Edmund Coxhead 9 Mo




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1694; Folio: 202; Page: 19; GSU roll: 193602.

Maybe your estimate of her age hinders your research.
1841
Martha Gibbons abt 1830 Berkshire, England Cookham, Berkshire
1851
Martha Coxhead Joseph abt 1829 Cookham, Berkshire, England Wife Bray, Berkshire
1861
Martha Coxhead Joseph abt 1827 Mondonheart, Berkshire, England Wife Glasshouse Yard, Middlesex

Who are the witnesses on her marriage certificate and is there an address where she married from on that certificate. what was her father's occupation on the marriage certificate and the birth certificate please.

My great grandmother was brought up by her father's sister as her mother died soon after her birth - she had brothers older who stayed with the father but as the father had to work I expect he could not manage to look after a baby.
Do you know Joseph's family members.
Irene

Thank you for your replies.

Rosina was born in London, address on her birth certificate Glasshouse Yard, Charterhouse - which is not far from Brackley Street. Her mothers maiden name was Gibbons.
Martha Gibbons was born in Cookham, Berkshire c1834
Joseph Coxhead was born in East Garston, Berkshire 1806 He was a Cordwainer.
I have not been able to find their marriage but have not thoroughly searched Parish Records.
Their first child Edmund was born in 1851, in East Garston. They moved to Bray where their second son Joseph was born in 1853. They then moved to London to 1 Ruskin Court, Glashouse Yard. In 1857 Edmund died and Henry was born the following year.
I have found the family on the 1851, 1861 census by 1871 only Joseph senior and Henry can be found.

Nicky, thank you but no that is not the same family.

Rose, that is a possibility - though I haven't found a death which matches for age.

As Rosina was baptised as a Coxhead in 1873 (her baptismal certificate gives her name as Rose), it seems unlikely that she would have been with her mother living as Martha Gibbons.

Quinsgran - I have considered that Rosina and it is a possibility. When she married in 1886 she was living in Marylebone.

I have not been able to find any trace of any of the children after 1871, Joseph and Rosina did not appear then and that is the last trace I have found of Henry. I imagine they might have emigrated but Rosina was only a child so must have been cared for by someone - I just cannot find out where or by whom.

Thank you so much for your replies. i will keep on trying - I wish I had been old enough to ask more questions when my grandmother was still alive - though she would have told me not to be so nosy !!!

Kathleen

Maybe a stab in the dark but could this be Josephs marriage? and Martha in fact be Matilda? if the birth cert. for Rosina is from the GRO it wouldn`t be the first time they`ve mistranscribed a name.....

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
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Coxhead Joseph Clerkenwell 1b 738
Laurence James Clerkenwell 1b 738
Saunders Rachael Clerkenwell 1b 738
Weller Matilda Clerkenwell 1b 738
Willer Matilda Clerkenwell 1b 738

Also have you found Joseph and Martha on the 1861 census? were there any more children before Rosina apart from Henry? If Henry is 12 in 1871 ,you should be able to find them in 1861 with Henry aged 2.


Nicky

I see no marriage for Martha and Joseph. Is it possible she died under her maiden name?

Rose

Where was Rosina born? What is Marthas maiden name from Rosinas birth cert?
Could it be her mother left her husband taking Rosina with her. She might be living under a different name in 1871.

Joseph may have said he was a widower when he wasnt
Just the same as some women with several children claim to be widows when they had never married.

1881 census
There is a Rosina no surname born 1865 Lambeth occ general servant .

address 113 Wyndham St Camberwell

My grandmother Rosina Coxhead cannot be found on any census until after her marriage in 1886. I have her birth certificate and her marriage certificate, I know she was born 24th June 1865 to Martha and Joseph Coxhead. In the 1871 census Joseph is listed as a widower with the youngest of his two sons (Henry aged 12) but no mention of Rosina. Joseph died in 1876.
In 1873 Rosina was baptised at St.Bartholomews Moor Lane - I have a copy of that certificate, no godparents are listed and her address is given as 2, Brackley Street, Barbican. Someone did check that address on the 1871 census but no mention of Rosina nor does she appear on the 1881 census.
I am assuming she was in an orphanage but cannot find anything that would tie in with the address on her baptismal certificate.
I cannot find any record of her mother's death which I assume must have been sometime after Rosina's birth but before 1871, ber name is given as the informant on the birth certificate so she didn't die in childbirth.

If anyone has any ideas I would be most grateful.

Kathleen