Genealogy Chat

Please could someone tell me how to order a birth cert from GRO if DOB not known. I want to apply for one from 1960 and there is a tag on the site that says that Dob must be given if date is less than 50 years ago.

How do I get round this?

Thankyou
dONNA

If it's 1960 then you only have a year to wait before you can order. I think if you phone them you may be able to order if you can give the full names of both parents (although I'm not absolutely sure about this).

Kath. x

Thanks Joan

Wanted to see if the person I am looking for was adopted as I can't find a death for him and the family were told he died as a baby and only the mothers knows the truth.

Thats a good idea Kathleen.
We can provide whatever info needed. The lady who wants this would be his sister so she knows everything about the parents that they share.

Thanks to you both.
Can't ask her now.

If the person was adopted I think there would be an amendment to the birth index.

Kath. x

Thats why his sister wants the birth cert. She doesn't believe he died ,but was adopted.

Any ideas?

I don't think you need the certificate for this. If you have found his birth in the listings on Ancestry are there any numbers or letters in the margin next to the reference? I think there will be if he was adopted.

Kath. x

Really I didn't know that. I will just go and check on Ancestry.

Thanks Kath

Just checked and I can't see anything extra there only the ref numbers.

I'm not absolutely certain of this but I'm sure in earlier times when a child was adopted there was something added to the original index. You would have to check with a registrar to be certain.

Have you looked for a death?

EDIT - Sorry, just realised that you said you had looked for a death. Have you looked in the quarter BEFORE the birth, as sometimes if a child died very young then the death was actually registered BEFORE the birth - a death has to be registered within about 5 days but you have 6 weeks to register a birth.

Kath. x

Yes thats where the problem started. The lady I know was told years ago by her mother that she had a younger brother who died either when a day old or a few weeks old. She was shown his birth cert then.
Now she is trying to piece together her tree and looked for the death ,but found none. I double checked and the only persons with that name at that time were a boy aged 10 and a man aged 45. No baby death registered.

Got us thinking that maybe he was adopted or something. Thats why she wanted to see the birth cert from Gro.
Can't move forward until we know that.

Not sure if I have a had a brian wave!!!!!!

I checked the indexes once again for death 1960-1961. Again the only one in the right area was one aged 45 .
Stephen is a modern sounding name and I thought maybe unusual in 1915 when this Stephen should have been born-the one aged 45.
Checked ancestry and free bmd and found no Stephen fountain being born around 1915 in England.

Do you think that this is a clerical error for our baby Stephen and wrong age been put down?

Just to say that 1 of my ancestors middle name was Stephen & he was born in 1849

Shall i go back to the drawing board?

How do I find out what happend to him? HELP!

Donna

I can't help you but have a look at this site

http://www.norcap.org.uk/

Which area was Stephen born in? There are few births for that name around 1960.

Kath. x

Stephen Fountain b 1960 Durham

my great great grandfather was a stephen so its not that modern im afraid

i had a thought may be way off but worth a try

if the baby died within a day or two of birth they may have not had a 1st name for him yet, some parents cant decide on names my sister was known as baby Penny until she was 2 weeks old.

would it be worth searching unamed fountain deaths for that year for baby deaths

the birth could have then been registered after his death when they had decided on a name, hope that makes sense.


lorraine

there is a death in crewe

stephen r fountain aged 0 jan/feb/mar 1961

10a 411

Thanks Lorraine

Yes I have seen that one . There is a birth in Crewe for that Stephen.

Looking in the Durham area. Thats where the family lived .

I will look in Fountain deaths and yes it did make sense.
Thanks Again

Just to add, I have found several adoptees and there were no amendments to the indexes on the registration.
This is more likely for a child who is still with one parent but is adopted by another when the birth parent remarries, or is re-registered when both birth parents marry each other..... Hope that makes sense!

However, if you obtain the birth certificate it will say ADOPTEDif the child was adopted... no two ways about that.

Sam