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Allison
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13 Aug 2009 13:14 |
Hi
Jesse Mills (b abt 1853 in Halling, Kent) listed in 1871 census as a Trooper at Hyde Park Barracks, St George Hanover Square. Wondered if there is a way of finding out about whether he served active duty. Also then not sure what happens to him after that - although his death is possibly in 1910 age 57 - have just ordered this certificate.
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Allison
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13 Aug 2009 13:41 |
Thanks both.
Corinne - interesting - yes I suppose that could be him. I have just traced his wife Amy on the 1881 census to "Cavalry Barracks" as Soldier's Wife but he is not listed - so presume he must have been posted somewhere and that is a possibility. Will have to do some tracing of what might have been happening in US at that time for him to be posted there - my history is pretty sketchy.
By 1891 he is a Police Constable .
Many thanks for your help Alli
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Heather
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13 Aug 2009 13:43 |
You could possibly find his service record at Kew. I got my OH's GGF's records - he was a sergeant in the Scottish Guards at Westminster Barracks. Very interesting stuff, detailed minor things like an accident hed had whilst valuting a horse in the gym at barracks (Id never thought of gyms in Victorian times!)
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Allison
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13 Aug 2009 13:49 |
Thanks Corinne - I already had the earlier record living with parents. On thinking about it, don't think that could be him in US as it lists him as single in 1880 and by that time he already had two children, Mary and George.
Would be really interested in getting the record from Kew, Heather. How do I contact them?
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Heather
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13 Aug 2009 14:01 |
Well, youd need to find his regiment really - so check on the 1871 - go back to the first page for the barracks and it should give the regiment.
If you cant get to Kew or know someone who is going, then I used a brilliant chap who doesnt charge that much and is an expert.
Ill pm you. He has been used by dozens of us on here.
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Allison
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13 Aug 2009 14:12 |
1901 census
Can anyone read his occupation?
Appears to be the same as the man above him - but both are unreadable - lol
Looks like campion or camjam (obviously not!)
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Allison
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13 Aug 2009 14:20 |
Thanks Corinne - you've been really helpful. I'll leave the occupation for now....perhaps it will come to me. I don't really get carman from that...but then I don't get anything much! lol
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Choccy
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13 Aug 2009 14:54 |
not clear whether you have him in 1881 -
1881 England Census Name: Jessie Mills Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Gender: Male Where born: Snodland, Kent, England Civil parish: New Windsor County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address: "Cavalry Barracks" Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Soldier Registration district: Windsor Sub-registration district: Windsor ED, institution, or vessel: Cavalry Barracks Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Charlton 22 Frederic Guiness 22 Susan Barnes 21 Catherine Balejahn 18 Charles Burgess 24 Keith Fraser 48 Charles W. Duncombe 41 Simon (Sir) Lockhart 32 John E. P. Spicer 30 Reginald C. Turner 30 Algernon F. E. Smith 23 Arthur W. (Hon) Hill Trevor 28 Charles N. Miles 26 Henry V. Higgins 25 John Weyland 25 Henry G. Leigh 24 Gordon Carter 27 George L. Holford 20 Henry F. Hensman 41 William Stephens 57 Robert Windeatt 21 John Mc Kinley 27 James Mace 22 Joseph Midgley 25 Frank Martin 20 Edward Nagle 21 Herbert Newport 25 George Prowse 38 Walter Rendell 22 Thomas Richardson 22 Thomas Rundle 20 George Sharp 20 Angus Slater 37 James Scanlan 21 William Swallow 21 Robert Whitehead 24 George Cagill 30 William C. Chapman 26 John H. Conran 20 Joseph Chaston 22 David Dunne 28 William Dickinson 27 Ernest Dean 20 Herbert Evans 19 George Edwards 35 James Gregory 19 Henry Horner 22 Charles Harris 27 Joseph Jassie 21 George Morgan 18 Joseph Maybank 24 James Jordan 36 Thomas Donnelley 30 William Wightman 24 James A. Park 29 Wm. Main 30 James Barron 25 Henry Boxall 24 James Bracken 38 Henry Smith 20 George Roberts 26 John Tubby 28 Richard Shaw 37 Reuben Mason 18 Ebenezer Garner 23 Thomas Fenwick 22 ************************Jessie Mills 28 Leonard Gibson 23 David Poyle 20 John Vaugham 20 David Weir 29 William Howe 44 Robert Harrey 33 William Tuck 24 George Gillham 21 Walter Manning 26 John Lavan 23 Thomas Taylor 28 George Moss 25 George Clark 18 Arthur Dick 23 Horace Marshall 21 James Procter 25 Gustavus Bosher 25 William Walker 35 William Curtis 34 William Rose 34 Charles Farrow 40 James Easton 40 Frank Nichelson 22 Frederick Fleming 23 Charles Hazzard 21
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Allison
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13 Aug 2009 15:03 |
Thanks Choccy!!
I hadn't found that at all and that's why I thought he was away. I found his wife listed separately as soldier's wife in the cavalry barracks but hadn't been able to find him. Tried to elude me, but thank goodness for Genes Reunited!! I would have been on a wild goose chase.
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Heather
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13 Aug 2009 15:35 |
1901 is definitely carman, same as the bloke next door.
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13 Aug 2009 15:38 |
Page 1 of the barracks census gives:
Keith Fraser, Colonel,
First Lifeguards
Thats your blokes regiment at that time.
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishcavalry/1stlifeguards.htm
Your bloke was probably involved in this campaign:
The Egyptian War of 1881-2 was to provide the next overseas action for the Household Cavalry regiment. Again, the force was raised from the three household cavalry regiments. In actual fact, Adjutant General Wolseley was against the inclusion of the big horses of the Household Cavalry regiment. Queen Victoria herself had to specially request the inclusion of this regiment in the expeditionary force being sent to deal with Arabi Pasha. As it stands, this campaign was actually the last time that the British Army ever made a distinction between heavy and light cavalry.
The brigade was in action almost immediately upon landing in Egypt. Kassassin Lock was being defended by 2000 troops but coming under intense pressure from Arabi Pasha's forces. The Household Cavalry, the 7th Hussars and the Royal Horse Artillery had to quickly cover the 4 miles to the site of the battle and swing immediately into action. This was despite the fact that night had already fallen. Undeterred, the Household Cavalry swept around the left flank of Arabi Pasha in bright moonlight. They received devastating fire, but still proceeded with their 'moonlight charge'. This was so successful that they cut their way through the Egyptian infantry to reach a battery of guns behind them.
They could and did change regiments if they had a skill or whatever that was needed elsewhere.
Read on the army site:
http://www.army.mod.uk/armoured/regiments/1627.aspx
These paintings/prints may be of interest:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:IBMijVC7hLoJ:www.regimental-art.com/1st_life_guards.htm+First+Lifeguards&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
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