Genealogy Chat

Could anybody please advise why when I do a search for marriage in 1890's. I'm not finding the relatives I'm searching for... I've tried variations of dates and names... Driving me mad..

What are you using to search, John? If you give me an example, I'll see if I can find it and tell you how I did it.

Hi John,

Would you like to give a name for us to search, if found we can then maybe advise you

Hi, I'm looking for marriage of JOHN CLARKE / MARY HAINES Leicestershire. I have birth cert for one of they children alice rebecca dated Nov 1895.

Just found on the 1901 census -

John Clarke (b. 1858 Willoughby Waterlees, Leics), wife Mary (b.1858 Littlethorpe, Leics), children Mary A (b.1882 Mountsorrel), Clara L (b.1885, Mountsorrel), Annie M (b.1889 Littlethorpe), John J H R (b. 1891, Whitwick, Leics), William A (b.1893, Whitwick), Alice H (b. 1896 Aylestone), Florence M (b.1898, Aylestone).

So probably looking for a marriage somewhere from the late 1870s onwards . . .

Sorry Kate, Libby and Alice, I did't think I would get such a quick response.

Hi Kate, Thats the right family.

Have to admit, I've had a browse but I can't see an obvious marriage yet. Think I found Clara's birth registered in Barrow upon Soar but the marriage for John and Mary isn't very forthcoming.

Clara Louisa Clarke Sep 1885 Barrow Upon Soar 7a 168

could be that they did not get married .... many couples didn't!


I've just looked on freebmd and cannot find a marriage between 1870 and 1930.


It could also be that the information has not yet been transcribed ... you could either wait and keep checking back, or you could search on the Complete Index on ancestry ...... but that is a long tedious job of searching an index quarter by quarter, year by year.

It could also possibly be that the information did not reach the GRO office, that sometimes happened, so you could try looking for the parish register information ............. or seeing if you can find the marriage at the local Registry Office




sylvia

Hi Alice, Not really sorted. I have been through marriages from 1868 up 1898 and I found no match. Are all marriages on line?. Regards JOHN.

John

re your question "are all marriages online"


see my response just above yours


answer basically is NO, you might be unlucky


But it might also be that the marriage will be transcribed later



or you might have to accept that they did not marry.



I've looked on the I G I on www.familysearch.org, and there is nothing showing on there either.

Hi Sylvia, Thank you for your advice. I did find JOHN CLARKE & MARY ANN HOWES in 1886 which I thought could be a spelling mistake. But dont know how to check?

Hi Kate, Thank you for trying. Regards JOHN.

if it was on freebmd, you could click on the eyeglasses symbol, that lets you look at the image of the page in the record book that they used to do the transcribing.

BUT the mistransctiption could go further back than the modern one.


The only real way would be to buy the certificate for £7 from www.gro.gov.uk


Of course, the mis-spelling might be on the birth certificate that you have



I wonder if she had been married before ..... Howes to Haines, or vice versa??????



sylvia

Sylvia, I know maiden name is Haines. The marriage index is typed not had writen. I think I will buy the cert and keep fingers crossed. Thank you for your time and advise. Regards JOHN.

John

the system was

the marriage took place in church (or registry office, or other legal site)

the vicar sent the information from his parish register to the local Registry Office, whenever he thought fit


The Registry Office entered the information in their record books

Every 3 months or so, the Reegistry Office sent their information down to GRO

and sometimes they forgot, or it got lost!



that's 3 steps before it got into GRO ............ lots of opportunities for mistranscriptions, especially if the vicar had bad handwriting!


and if he did, your guys were probably illiterate so they wouldn't notice that their copy of the marriage certificate had the wrong name on it!!!





sylvia

Hi Sylvia,
I take your point. Thank you again for your time and advise. Regards JOHN.

The 2 surnames are the same shape as each other, ..ie. Have one tall letter at the front, then all short letters,with none below the line.

I can easily imagine a situation where one could be handwritten and mistaken for the other.

Often the 'same shape' method has been the only way I've eventually found some of mine mistranscribed.

Hopefully you have found the correct cert.


Gwyn

Just a thought but perhaps you look for a marriage of a John Clarke to a Mary _____ around 1880-1882'ish - then look for an earlier marriage of a Mary Haine to someone with that _____ surname?

She could have been married before the marriage to John Clarke and been left a widow in short order.

Victoria