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cant find family on 1891 census help please

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Carter

Carter Report 4 Feb 2009 10:57

hi i have this family on the 1881 and the 1901 but cant find them on the 1891 if anyone can help it would be much appreciated. aslo does anyone know if there is a site similar to lancashire online parish records for yorkshire?
thanks linda

1881 England Census
about Robinson Bottomley
Name: Robinson Bottomley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lydia
Gender: Male
Where born: Warley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Warley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 1 Rose Grove
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Engine Fitter In Iron Works

Registration district: Halifax
Sub registration district: Sowerby
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robinson Bottomley 30
Lydia Bottomley 29
Mary A. Bottomley 7
Hannah E. Bottomley 5
Edith G. Bottomley 2
Sarah Scott 35


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Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4414; Folio: 81; Page: 2; Line: ; GSU


by 1901 robinson bottomly has died and lydia is a widow

1901 England Census
about Lydia Bottomley
Name: Lydia Bottomley
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Warley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Luddenden Foot
Ecclesiastical parish: Luddenden Foot St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Halifax
Sub registration district: Luddenden
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Lydia Bottomley 49
Albert E Broadbent 22
Edith G Broadbent 22
Sarah A Bottomley 17
Beatrice A Bottomley 16


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Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4135; Folio: 101; Page: 5.

Potty

Potty Report 4 Feb 2009 12:41

There isn't an online parish clerk for Yorkshire but this site has some transcriptions:
www.freereg.org.uk/

Also try familysearch

liquidamber¨°o.O

liquidamber¨°o.O Report 4 Feb 2009 13:05

Name: Robinson Bottomley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 46
District: Halifax
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9a
Page: 294 (click to see others on page)

regards

amber

Carter

Carter Report 4 Feb 2009 14:21

thanks leonie andamber you are both spot on thanks so much but where is the illusive robinson
thanks once again
linda

mgnv

mgnv Report 4 Feb 2009 19:25

Leonie - I can't find that 1891 census on Ancestry.
Could you give a reference - piece # =rg12/ 3599 or whatever + folio # + page # ?

Carter

Carter Report 4 Feb 2009 21:06

yeah i am having trouble finding it without the ref/folio/page etc.. any ideas
linda

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Feb 2009 21:21

this is crazy


it must have been missed from ancestry!

I have tried everything I know, including a blanket search of Warley, with no name sspecified!



sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Ivy

Ivy Report 4 Feb 2009 21:34

Piece 3599 Folio 135 page 46 (ED7)

Ivy

Ivy Report 4 Feb 2009 21:37

No, it is there on Ancestry - not sure how it has been transcribed though

Ivy

Ivy Report 4 Feb 2009 21:42

Greenway

- I think someone else was saying that if there is no husband there, the entire family gets given the surname of the previous household.

- I wonder if it is a software problem - it seems unlikely that so many transcribers would make the same mistake?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Feb 2009 23:05

darned transcriber error!!


Broadbent Greenway, Alice and Anne live in one house. Lydia Bottomley is next door

I did actually come across this when I was looking for Sarash, but I didn't look closely at it!


1891 Census

Name: Lydia Greenway
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Broallbent
Gender: Female
Where born: Warley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Warley
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Halifax
Sub registration district: Sowerby

Broallbent Greenway 55
Alice Greenway 62
Anne G L E Greenway 30

Lydia Greenway 37 Married
Mary A Greenway 17 Woollen Weaver
Hannah E Greenway 15 Woollen Spinner
Edith G Greenway 12
Sarah A Greenway 7
Beatrice A Greenway 5

Address:- 22 Mount Terrace





sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Carter

Carter Report 4 Feb 2009 23:09

well done sylvia what a great find. you are a superstar no wonder i couldnt find it
thanks so much
linda

mgnv

mgnv Report 5 Feb 2009 00:02

Ancestry (and the LDS) have problems with relationships when the head of the household is not first, or is not named as head. They also have problems differentiating the households. (Here Beatrice, say, is identified as Broallbent's daur, but not Alice's nor Lydia's daur.)

Since SP use the LDS transcription for 1881, this also applies to 1881 Scotland at SP - I don't know about other years since you have to pay to see what's really there, and it's not happened to my folks (except 1881, but I had the disk, and got it sorted).

Carter

Carter Report 5 Feb 2009 01:29

thanks once again for all your help it is much appreciated
linda

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2009 01:46

How many Robinson Bottomly's do you think there might be???


I found this one on the 1891 Census ....... but he's a Wood Sawyer


1891 Census


Name: Robinson T Bottomly
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastburn, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Steeton With Eastburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Steeton St Stephen
Town: Steeton With Eastburn
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Keighley
Sub registration district: Keighley

Robinson T Bottomly 35
Jane Bottomly 32
Smith Bottomly 9
Mary E Bottomly 7
Jennie Bottomly 1





sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2009 01:47

answer .................. two!!


Births Mar 1851 (>99%)

Bottomley Robinson Halifax 22 255



Births Sep 1856 (98%)

Bottomley Robinson Smith Keighley 9a 169


so the one I found on the 1891 census is probably the latter one, while yours will be the first one!


sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Feb 2009 03:25

I have just submitted corrections for the Bottomley family on the 1891. It will take about 6 weeks before anything shows up.



sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

mgnv

mgnv Report 5 Feb 2009 08:59

Linda - I imagine you've seen the esrlier censuses, but just in case:

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1299; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Halifax; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 18; Page: 4; Line: 14; GSU roll: 464259.
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2300; Folio: 535; Page: 3; GSU roll: 87506-87508.
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3295; Folio: 71; Page: 8; GSU roll: 543109.
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4416; Folio: 73; Page: 9; GSU roll: 847116.

Carter

Carter Report 5 Feb 2009 09:45

thanks once again you are superstars and your help is very much appreciated i am always amazed by peoples generosity with their time and effort that they give freely on this site
thanks linda x