Genealogy Chat

Thank you all for taking the time to look and think.

I'm trying to find one of the sons' birth certs (my Grt Grandad) but with 'Smith' its been a lottery so far .....waiting on post for latest try...
maybe that will give me more on Susan, but since she is 'unmarried' (no maiden name, just Smith )in the 1861 and changes her age so much between the 1861 and 1871 I think she'll be even harder to find!!

I agree with the 'g' leading to Bungay...but if she only came from 'near' there...???

Thanks again

Petrina

- and it is not just mishearing that could have been a problem.

The enumerator did not have time to write down every entry for every household. Forms were left at the house a couple of days beforehand for the household to complete and although the enumerator would have helped to fill out the form where needed, I suspect that if the form already looked broadly OK, he might not have stopped to check with the occupants that he could read each entry correctly. He was then expected to transfer the info from those forms onto the ones that we see - the household forms were destroyed for each census before the 1911 census.

Since literacy rates are estimated to be over 60% on marriage by 1871, even if Susan could not write, her son John may well have been able to complete the form, and so I do think that misreading by the enumerator may enter the equation.

I think its def "Norfolk" and "Near" T ? InGay definte G if you magnify as much as poss then the second F in suffolk has the tail of the G underneath.
But I think the enumarator def misheard. i.e. Norfolk could be NORTH FORK? so maybe not on border but perhaps a farm or v.small hamlet in Suffolk? Just some Ideas.
Gary

I think you are right Margaret - I think it does say "near".

Kath. x

I read it as " Norfolk near Trincay Suffolk"

I think the image says Norfolk area, Trincay (I think), and underneath is written Suffolk. I wonder if the enumerator misheard Trimley (which is in Suffolk).

Kath. x

Hi PDH ,

I wonder if it was not a case of the enumerator mishearing the place name, so much as misreading it? Looking along the Norfolk-Suffolk border, Bungay looks like a possible, since it is a large town on the Suffolk side, but surrounded on three sides by fairly small Norfolk villages.

(I also wondered if she gave different info on the earlier censuses, but in 1861, she only said Norfolk, and I can't identify her amongst the Susans in Marylebone from Norfolk in 1851. Do you have a maiden name from one of the children's birth certificates?)

thanks, Jak, I'll give that a try...

Petrina

Hi PDH

Sorry can't check the image as stopped my ancestry sub at the mo but I grew up in Norfolk and although nothing springs to mnd if you google 1871 norfolk census there is a link to the page that lists all the villages/towns for that year, maybe you could spot it from that. One thing I did wonder was if your Ueas T could possibly be East or West - I'm not great at reading the fancy writing on the census pages but do have a husband who can see things I can't or have got completely wrong!

good luck
Jak

Hi- can anyone see what this birthplace is ??
Obviously not the "Ueas" the transcriptor thought , looks like
"near ???? Suffolk" to me...
But can't see anywhere like 'Trincay' on the map (I don't live in Norfolk!)
I have come across several phonetic variations when the census taker didn't understand the rural accent- anyone know anywhere on the Norfolk/Suffolk border that fits????

Name: Susan Smith
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ueas Trincay, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

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Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Smith 47
John Smith 23
Walter Smith 14
Alice Smith 12