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27 Jan 2009 10:58 |
Ozibird and Ivy, thanks for your input. I've come to the conclusion that this is not the correct family but thanks for your promt replies . I have taken note of this family in case they turn up in the future along my way. I suspect thomas will stay a closed book.
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27 Jan 2009 08:00 |
You're lucky they're from Chorley since the local RO index lists mother's MS. http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference 1885 FLANAGAN George Chorley Preston BROADBENT CHO/69/100 1887 FLANAGAN Harry Chorley Preston BROADBENT CHO/73/55 1898 missing although transcribed 1837-1954 1883 FLANAGAN Lizzie Chorley Preston BROADBENT CHO/66/41 1864 FLANNIGAN Elizabeth Ann Chorley Preston BURKE CHO/33/86 1852 FLANNIGAN Thomas Chorley Preston FLANNIGAN CHO/17/71
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1880 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference FLANAGAN Frederick BROADBENT Mary Annie St Peter, Chorley Preston C11/1/335
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1885 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference FLANAGAN George Chorley Preston BROADBENT CHO/69/100
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference FLANAGAN Harry Chorley Preston BROADBENT CHO/73/55
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference FLANAGAN John Ardwick Manchester ARD/307/27
Re: Births Dec 1898 (>99%) Flanagan John Chorley 8e 765
I've just sent FreeBMD a correction changing Chorley 8e to Chorlton 8c
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27 Jan 2009 01:27 |
1891 England Census Name: Mary Flannagan Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Widnes Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Widnes County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: 60 Cromwell ___
Condition as to marriage: widow
Education:
Employment status:
View Image Registration district: Prescot Sub registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary Flannagan 37 Mary Flannagan 13 - general servant Eliza Flannagan 10 - scholar Mathew Flannagan 6 - scholar Ellen Flannagan 1
Rose is a servant in another household.
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26 Jan 2009 23:01 |
Might this be your Thomas? Sutton Oak is in the right general area:
Name: Thomas Flanagan Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Sutton Oak, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Widnes County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 38 Wareing St Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: General Laborer Registration district: Prescot Sub registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 11a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Flanagan 30 Mary Flanagan 26 Rose A. Flanagan 6 Mary Flanagan 5 Margaret Flanagan 3 Elizabeth Flanagan
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26 Jan 2009 22:54 |
Following on from Ozibird's finding, you may be right - the children born in Chorley in the 1880s seem to be the children of Frederick and Mary Ann according tot he 1891 census:
Name: Emily Hanagan Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Frederick Mother's Name: Mary A Gender: Female Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Hulme Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton Sub registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Household Members: Name Age Frederick Hanagan 34 Mary A Hanagan 30 Emily Hanagan 10 Jas Hanagan 9 Lizzie Hanagan 7 George Hanagan 5 Fred Hanagan 8/12 Harry Hanagan 3
Is Thomas b Chorley 1852 a direct ancestor, or are you following up on a sibling of an earlier family?
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26 Jan 2009 22:50 |
You're obviously right as this looks like the family in 1891. Image could be Flanagan or Hanagan. It doesn't solve your problem of Thomas but at least you can identify the family on your notes.
1891 England Census Name: Lizzie Hanagan Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Frederick Mother's Name: Mary A Gender: Female Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Hulme Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View Image Registration district: Chorlton Sub registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 60 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Frederick Hanagan 34 Mary A Hanagan 30 Emily Hanagan 10 Jas Hanagan 9 Lizzie Hanagan 7 George Hanagan 5 Fred Hanagan 8/12 Harry Hanagan 3
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basman
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26 Jan 2009 22:34 |
ozibird, thanks for taking the trouble, however as per my last mail I'm not even sure this is the family I'm looking for any more. Thomas is my relative and from my piece of paper I had asumed that this was a family, but if as suggested by Ivy this was just a list of BMD's from Chorley area then they may not be connected to thomas at all.
thank you
basman
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26 Jan 2009 22:24 |
1901 England Census Name: Lizzie Flanagan Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Annie Gender: Female Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Moss Side Ecclesiastical parish: Whalley Range St Edmund County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 24 Darncombe Rd
Registration district: Chorlton Sub registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 68 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Annie Flanagan 40 widow; Owston [??] Ferry, Lincs <<<<<<<<< James Flanagan 19 - plumber George Flanagan 15 - plumber <<<<<<<<< Harry Flanagan 13 - errand boy <<<<<<<<< Willie Flanagan 6 Arthur Flanagan 4 Walter Flanagan 1 Lizzie Flanagan 17 - Baby Linen Machinist <<<<<<<<< Edith Flanagan 8 Ethel Flanagan 6 Richard Hall 20 - boarder
All sons & daughters except boarder. Willie, Arthur, Walter, Edith & Ethel born Mancester.
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basman
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26 Jan 2009 22:14 |
Ivy, yes I think you (and enriched) are probably right------thank you. doesn't help me with thomas after 1871 though . I had taken it that thomas was the head of that family, but can now see this may not indeed be a family unit. oh well shall keep searching :-)
Thanks everyone
basman
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Ivy
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26 Jan 2009 21:57 |
I'd say Eric the red is right - here is Ancestry's 14 FreeBMD results for a search for births of Flan*g*n in the Chorley district in Lancashire. Ancestry have since changed the display format a little, but I think it has all the ones in your list:
Emily Flanagan 1880 Jul-Aug-Sep Chorley Lancashire View Record George Flanagan 1885 Oct-Nov-Dec Chorley Lancashire View Record Harry Flanagan 1887 Oct-Nov-Dec Chorley Lancashire View Record James Flanagan 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar Chorley Lancashire View Record John Flanagan 1898 Oct-Nov-Dec Chorley Lancashire View Record Lizzie Flanagan 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec Chorley Lancashire View Record Louisa Flanagan 1857 Jan-Feb-Mar Chorley Lancashire View Record William Flanagan 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Chorley Lancashire View Record Alice Flannagan 1839 Jan-Feb-Mar Chorley Lancashire View Record Bridget Flannigan 1866 Jul-Aug-Sep Chorley Lancashire View Record Edwin Flannigan 1854 Jul-Aug-Sep Chorley Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Ann Flannigan 1864 Jan-Feb-Mar Chorley Lancashire View Record Ellen Flannigan 1855 Jan-Feb-Mar Chorley Lancashire View Record Thomas Flannigan 1852 Jan-Feb-Mar Chorley Lancashire
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basman
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26 Jan 2009 21:45 |
Enriched, SORRY, I'm getting myself all in a muddle I should have said 1891 and 1901 census.
I'm looking for Thomas Flanagan(various spellings) born 1852 Chorley. I don't thimk its BDM's as the info was "en bloc" and also Elizabeth Ann was born in lincs----maiden name Broadbent ( I've found childrens births but no marriage)
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26 Jan 2009 21:01 |
The info you posted looks to me like freebmd on Ancestry
It couldn't possibly be 1881 census, in view of the dates
So......who are you looking for?
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basman
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26 Jan 2009 20:44 |
thanks for the tip porkie pie, my earlier message was there but it hadn't appeared in the list. Ah well its here now, just fingers crissed now that someone can help.
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26 Jan 2009 20:02 |
Basman, to find a thread that you posted earlier,
on the left of the screen under Tools
eg Tools My bookmarks My threads Advanced search
clickon, MyThreads
your thread will be their,
If you want to put your thread back up the board then just put a reply on the thread, eg clickon reply and put any text in the box, then clickon Submit, some people write the word nudge and then submit
Hope this helps
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basman
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26 Jan 2009 19:50 |
I posted this message earier this afternoon, but haven't seen it appear yet, so posting again, IF it has been duplicated my apologies: One of my brick walls is Thomas Flanagan(various spellings) I have him up until the 1871 census after which he disapears. I have checked all sites including BMD's in case he died. No luck so I put him to one side. However I've been clearing all my bits of paper out and came across the following notes; so I must have found him a long time ago and forgot about it :-) Trouble is I didn't put where I had found the information :-(( ------I'm better organised now----:-) . Does anyone recognise the form of the info? and can point me to the right site. It would appear from the age of the children to be the 1881 census, but all sites throw up blanks. since finding the paper have been able to find the family in Manchester in 1891 but without Thomas, the head of the family being down as a widow. I can't find a marriage or death for him so if I could find the 1881 census I could get an address which may help to find his death.
Record Flanagan, George 1885 December Births Chorley Lancashire View Record Flanagan, Harry 1887 December Births Chorley Lancashire View Record Flanagan, John 1898 December Births Chorley Lancashire View Record FLANAGAN, Lizzie 1883 December Births Chorley Lancashire View Record FLANNIGAN, Elizabeth Ann 1864 March Births Chorley Lancashire View Record Flannigan, Thomas 1852 March Births Chorley Lancashire
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