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Berniethatwas
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22 Jan 2009 07:25 |
Thanks Roy , Yes, they certainly moved about. 2 births 4Q 1870, 1 birth 2Q 1872 1 death 2Q 1872 aged 1 (month?) 2 plus a maybe on the census.
Perhaps they couldn't count?
Will take time over the weeken.
Thanks again
B
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Porkie_Pie
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22 Jan 2009 02:09 |
If you look again the marriage i found was before their first childs Ellen Jane Kemp's birth in 1869, the birth is same year but the very next quarter, also i have updated my other post so take another look
Roy
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22 Jan 2009 01:58 |
Thanks all, Emely is the 3rd child so doubt that she is prior to the marriage. It is Nos. 3 and 6 that I cn't account for. Roy - yes it's Phillip, the father, so that is the information I have - and I imagined that one would have died before another child would be given the wrong name. I'll check out all your ideas after work. Ta - I knew you'd be able to think better'n I! B
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22 Jan 2009 01:54 |
I don't no why but, actualy i do? i think that the older children were registerd in a different district? i have found a marriage for A James Kemp and Ellen, on the 1891 Ellen the wife of James kemp is down as born Crowan, and Crowan is in registration district Helston, so i think that Ellen gave birth to the children at the house of a family member, possibly her mothers, lots of young mums did this in day's gone by
Mary Jane Beckerleg 1869 Helston Cornwall
Thomas Goodman 1869 Helston Cornwall
>>>>>James Kemp 1869 Helston Cornwall
>>>>>>Ellen Ward 1869 Helston Cornwall Year of Registration: 1869 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Helston County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 265
and it so happens that the older children look to be under the same district
Birth Name: Ellen Jane Kemp Year of Registration: 1869 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Helston County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 225
Her age in the 1881 census ties up with this record.
Birth same again for Ann? or Mary Ann Name: Mary Ann Kemp Year of Registration: 1871 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Helston County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 215
After that they all seem to be registered redruth, Emily as i first posted then,
Name: Philip Kemp Year of Registration: 1877 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Redruth (To 1974) County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 206
Name: Thomas Kemp Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Redruth (To 1974) County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 191
I cannot find Ada M kemp in cornwall and Eliza Emma kemp any where near the place and year.
Hope this helps it is only my Theory, but would need some certs or parish records to back it up
Roy
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22 Jan 2009 01:14 |
their are these births?
Emily Kemp 1887 Jan-Feb-Mar Redruth (To 1974) Cornwall
Emily Kemp 1888 Jan-Feb-Mar Redruth (To 1974) Cornwall
Emily Kemp 1888 Jan-Feb-Mar Redruth (To 1974) Cornw
Grace Emily Kemp 1889 Jul-Aug-Sep Redruth (To 1974) Cornwall
Emily Amelia Kemp 1889 Jul-Aug-Sep Redruth (To 1974) Cornwall
I wonder if the one on the 1891 census could be the Illegitimate child of one of James and Ellen's daughters?
Plus if you look at the ages on the 1881 and then on the 1891 you will note that some ages are out by a couple of years
Roy
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22 Jan 2009 00:59 |
I think this is your Emily in 1891?
Name: Emily Kemp Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Gwennap, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Redruth Ecclesiastical parish: Redruth Town: Redruth County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Redruth Sub registration district: Redruth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Wasley 77 Elizabeth Wasley 64 Emily Kemp 18 Roy
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22 Jan 2009 00:51 |
Bernie,
I can't find births for the first few children. It seems like they only registered the later ones.
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22 Jan 2009 00:51 |
1891 is this the family?
Name: James Kemp Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Wendron, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Stithians Ecclesiastical parish: Stithians County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Redruth Sub registration district: Gwennap ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Kemp 41 Ellen Kemp 43 born: Crowan, Cornwall Ellen J Kemp 20 Mary A Kemp 18 Phillip Kemp 14 Eliza E Kemp 12 Ada M Kemp 10 James H Kemp 5 Emily Kemp 3 born: Stithians, Cornwall Thomas Kemp 10/12
same family in 1881
Name: James Kemp Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Wendron, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Illogan County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Loscombe Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Mine Laborer (Tin) Registration district: Redruth Sub registration district: Illogan ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Kemp 31 Ellen Kemp 34 Ellen Jane Kemp 12 Annie Kemp 10 Emely Kemp 5 on the image her name look to me to be Emily Phillip Kemp 4 Eliza Emma Kemp 1
Roy
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22 Jan 2009 00:26 |
Do you have the names of her parents?
their are two Emily Kemp's age 3 born Stithians on the 1891 census,
one with parents James and Ellen
and the other is Philip and Ellen
Roy
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22 Jan 2009 00:21 |
what about this birth, i no it is out by abt 4 years but ages on census can be wrong
Name: Emily Kemp Year of Registration: 1872 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Redruth (To 1974) County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 246
Roy
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21 Jan 2009 23:38 |
Was Emely Kemp born before the marriage so registered in maiden name? Only suggestion I can think of unless she was a nurse child, adopted etc
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Berniethatwas
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21 Jan 2009 23:00 |
Hi, 1881 has Emely Kemp age 5, born Illogan. 1891 the family have Emily age 3 born Stithians. I can't find a birth, marriage or death for Em* or Amelia within the timeframe. (Emily 1888 is there.) Any suggestions as to what the name could be? Thanks, B
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