Genealogy Chat

Probably an obvious one, Kathlyn, but have you managed to find either of the couple in amongst the records on the Lancs Online Parish Clerk website? There are a few Shackladys (and various other spellings) coming up on there but I don't know if any would be the right ones.

I do think I should apologise for my rash assumptions. Clearly Kathlyn has done a great deal of research, and fascinating it was to read. I will now undergo a short period of Trappist silence.

Peter

Hi All,

I very seldom post on here, but I would just like to add this:

"Soft as" was more than helpful to me at Chelmsford Records Office when I didn't have the time to get there myself and gave me such a lot of info on my Argent family.

I still owe her lunch when I do actually go there!

Kind regards
Amanda x

Peter, I think Snowdrop is right. You seem to have assumed that the only reason to contact someone with shared ancestry is to avail yourself of their already-reseached information. I for one am always keen to contact people to join forces to break down walls and mull over ideas and theories about those elusive ancestors. Yes, there will be a certain amount of information exchange, as it is unlikely that two people are at exactly the same point in their research, but that is often a two-way process - one may have concentrated their efforts on the line of the mother of the shared relative, the other may have concentrated on the father.
I think it was unfair to jump to the conclusion that the frustration grew out of a wish to hijack someone else's hard work.

RobG

Peter,

I am sorry it has taken me the best part of 24 hours to return to GR, but I have had several meetings to attend.

Let me explain a little more clearly...

I am researching my paternal grandfathers mothers line. Grandfather was born in Liverpool and when he was a very young man he ran away from home as he accidentally set fire to his stepfathers bakery.

He took to his heels and went to Glasgow, enlisted in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, well he liked the look of the uniform I think.

Stepfather discovered where he was and went to Glasgow and had him released from the regiment as he was under age. Grandfather was taken back to Liverpool. Not to be beaten, he went down to the docks and signed on a ship heading for a two year trip to Australia......And this is where my 3 year headache started, because he signed on the ship using his mothers maiden name, I assume to avoid being found again.

On his return from Australia the boat first docked at the London Royal Victoria Docks, he left the ship, met grandmother..etc. etc. etc......He never returned to Lancashire, and never told a soul he had changed his name.

3 years of very hard research has tracked all this info down. Now, because his "real" name is such a common one, I have had far more luck researching the name we are all now known by.

Wishing to gather more info on my roots, I have managed to get back to the early 1800s with this line, and recently discovered that by grandfathers aunt, ie. his mothers sister, married a James Shacklady. I sent for the cert.

With my fathers maternal line and bot my mothers paternal and maternal lines, I have found living connections, have met some of them, where we have been able to exchange photo`s etc that each did not have.

My problem is, I have no information that will allow me to continue with my grandfathers maternal line, ie to enable me to find living connections as only girls were produced, they married and were lost to me. I do not want anyone to do this research for me, I do not want to "pinch" someone else's research, all I want is a positive connection that will enable me to fill a gap I thought was lost.

All I was asking for was for some ideas as to how to word a 2nd message to a possible connection without being rude.

I have gathered a lot of information on the Shacklady`s, but which ball do I catch...hence my messages to those who have that name in their line of research.

I have on many occasions had the most fantastic help and advise from GR members, in a small way I have repaid those debts by visiting the Essex RO to look up information for members. Whilst we have such a willing band of people to give their time and energies to helping others, this is a hobby that will flourish.

Kathlyn

Peter, no-where in my first posting did I suggest you had said anything about look-ups.

You happen to be the one who responded to my open message and it was you who used the words (and I quote) 'It suggests she is relying on the research of others rather than doing her own research.' (end quote)

For others to do the 'research' she needs look-ups, or if the 'research' has already been done, the look-ups will have already been done by others (ie the contacts).

As she already has the marriage certificate it wouldn't be very likely that she would need to copy others' information.

She is frustrated by the lack of response from people she has tried to contact - plain and simple - and is merely asking for suggested wording in making further contact.


So, if you're assuming (and we all know we shouldn't assume ANYTHING as it make an ASS out of U and Me) she only wants the information from other people's trees, are you saying she's a name collector?

In reality Peter, I think you've been thrown by other people posting information which wasn't requested (and whom my original message was really directed at) and there's really no need to apologise at all.

Kind regards

Kim

Snowdrops,

I certainly wasn't thinking of look-ups and didn't mention them. However, I can't believe she is so frustrated merely because she wants to pass on the contents of a readily-available marriage certificate. I therefore assumed she wanted information from the trees of the people she contacted, and that to my mind is not research. I am ready to apologise if I am in error.

Peter

No, it does not - you're reading things into it, I'm sure if she wanted a look-up she would ask for a look-up.

She clearly states: 'Can someone please suggest what wording I could use to contact them again without sounding rude?'.

I cannot understand why people think she wants any looking up done for her, I know people like to be helpful, but sometimes I think people can become word blind and see what they want to see.

She certainly doesn't ask for that sort of help, but the help she has asked for hasn't been forthcoming - which must be even more frustrating for her.

Snowdrops,

As Kathlyn is clearly very frustrated that she has little response it suggests she is relying on the research of others rather than doing her own research.

Peter

Nowhere in Kathlyn's post have I seen her ask for help researching her family.

I can only see her asking for suggestions for wording when contacting others, in the hope that they would respond.

Are some of you seeing something I'm not, or do you just read into things whatever you like?

Hi Kathlyn,

Could I suggest that you have a go at doing the research yourself? it is so much more satisfying (and authoritative) if you do it rather than rely on second-hand (at best) data. You can always use GR contacts as a check later.

Peter

Peter

Thanks for the tip everyone. And thanks liquidamber, yes that is them.

Kathlyn

You could try Maudsley as a spelling if that helps ...

Jill

found it - on History - really you should delete that one or it will cause confusion and people likely to be duplicating research

Ann

donlt you have another thread on this somewhere - I found loads of Shacklady's - think they were all in Lancashire

1891 England Census
about James Shacklady
Name: James Shacklady
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Shacklady 4
Elizabeth Shacklady 33
James Shacklady 12
Elizabeth Cropper


Is this them, his age is a miss print, he is 44 on the original

Hi Kathlyn ...

There are other resources, apart from GR. Have you tried:

Surname Interest Lists for relevant counties?
Surname Messageboards/Mailing Lists (Rootsweb, Ancestry etc.)?
County Messageboards/Mailing Lists (as above)
Ancestry Family Trees?
Googling?????

Never give up!

Penny

Hello Margaret,


You see the light at the end of the tunnel after long hours of research. Even more light when you find there are GR members who also have this name in their research.....

I have accessed my computer each day with growing joy that one of those people contacted has replied......sadly, only one has done so.

Never mind, I have managed to scale higher hurdles than this. Onwards and upwards.

Kathlyn

We have all experienced contacting others and getting no reply.

Possibly lost interest or changed e mail address so cant be contacted. I contacted someone several times a couple of years ago because she had my cousins names but she didnt answer

Finally after that time her mother joined and she contacted me

I have not found anyone living todate, who is researching my paternal grandfathers mother line. It is not too much of a common surname, although it has several different spellings.

I found my great aunt Elizabeth Mawdsley, who was born in 1858, married a James Shacklady and I now have that marriage cert. There are several GR members with the name Shacklady in their research, so I contacted them with the info I had. Sadly, only one has replied, and their Elizabeth was born a Shacklady.

It is possible that the GR members who have not replied to me, are no longer GR members.

Also possible that they have not accessed their computer recently.

Can someone please suggest what wording I could use to contact them again without sounding rude?

Kathlyn