Genealogy Chat

Hi Steve....No luck with Mary wife of William Moorehouse...they were married in a different parish.as was Anthony Burton.....actually we're very lucky to get both names before about 1780...often just the fathers name was shown on baptism records..

However i have found WILLIAM LONGDEN 1740.....but since i never tell anyone that something is a fact unless I have proven it 100%..I have to add the caveat that this is extremely likely but not quite proven

Everywhere it show William Longden born Winster 1740..but he was DEFINITELY NOT baptised at Winster..but he was, with above caveat..baptised at Ible (Wirksworth ) 20.08.1740 son of Richard Longden and Dorothy (nee Hodgkinson) who married at Wirksworth 09.02.1736. She was born in Bakewell 1712.
There are no further entries for this William..and he is the ONLY William Longden born in the whole of Derbyshire in 1740 or indeed 5 years either side.....so it is very tempting to accept this man as your William.I present to you the facts..its up to you. But you ain't going to get closer!!

Better news for ANN CLAYTON baptised Winster 06.02.1743, who, with her sister Mary (16.09.1739) was the daughter of Joseph Clayton and his wife Jone(nee Moorhouse!!) who married at Winster 20.02.1736

Later on tonight I'll send you the baptism dates and some deaths of all the children previously mentioned.

Derek

Hi Hazel........are you suggesting that thomas was aged 52 when he sired George.....I need to know how accurate your data is.becasue Clay Cross records became merged with North Wingfield in about 1860. I have the North Wingfield Records but not Clay cross.

Derek

Hi Derek :-)

Fantastic stuff - Again - BIG THANK YOU DEREK ;-)

You know I think you may very well be onto something - I have been googling all sorts of sites on the web - and yes I know you cannot believe everything you read - but what do you make of the following pieces of info - I'd love confirmation and other Longden decsendants thoughts on this William maybe being ours - m?!

Richard Longden married Dorothy Hodgkinson on 9th Feb 1736 Wirksworth - They had a child William Longden bapt on 20th August 1740.
Through google I have found that Williams mother Dorothy died on the 20th January 1780 and is buried at St John's Winster - as are two of her siblings.
Is it not more than reasonable to deduce that William Longden bap:1740 moved with both or one of his parents to Winster and settled there - hmmm?
The only thing is that the name of Dorothy doesn't seem to have been passed down within the family tree [could be wrong though]....seems an interesting senerio - I wonder ;-)

Thoughts :-)

Cheers - Steve.

Hi Steve..that is exactly what I am suggesting........there appears very little doubt..if any.

Derek

Hi hazel.........have found isaac at heage.near Belper:

ISAAC JEPSON baptised Heage 26.05.1844..son of Isaac and Ann Jepson.

Two Jepsons at Clay Cross that may or may not be part of your family:-


George Jepson married Ann Bennett 18.09.1843

David Hill Jepson married Hannah hargreaves 05.04.1855.

These marriages took place at Clay Cross and registered at North Wingfield..

Have since found Isaac Jepsons marriage to PRISCILLA ANN HOLLAND at North Wingfield 09.08.1863.

I'll keep looking

Derek

Hi Derek :-)

Indeed - you are a slueth D - the connection fits perfectly - fantastic ;-)

The reason why I am just a little surprised is as to why others haven't twigged sooner? This isn't just a small family of descendants from William Longden b:1740....I had a good look at the tree over 3 years ago sorting out my link to said William of 1804 - I am just a bit agog and that near on one day back seeking out the mysteries of the Longdens that the answer has been in front of us all this time.....I gabble on...excuse my being hesitant in allowing it to sink in ;-)

Also William Longden b:1740-d:1822 left a Will by the looks....how wonderful to be able to read it! I have never ordered a Will before or know how to go about obtaining one - or what cost is involved???

Cheers - Steve Campbell.

Note: The name of Dorothy was passed down on different sides of the family - but not on all....no trees that I have looked at have William Longden b:1740 as being attached to any spouse - he appears to be alone - just maybe Elizabeth Moorehouse took a shine to him :-)

Hi Derek, hope you had a great time in Scotland. Can I please remind you about Hannah Oldfield. I am now repeating myself, sorry.

Joseph Brightmore b 1829 married Ann Robinson who died in 1876. He then married Hannah Oldfield b 1839 Tideswell, in Salford (don't ask, but I am pretty sure it is right) in Sep 1877, and they had a daughter Selina b Tideswell 1880.

It is the origins of Hannah Oldfield that I am concerned about. In 1841, 1851 and 1861 she is with her apparently widowed mother Selina (with various incorrect spellings), which would seem right as Hannah named her child Selina. There is also brother Samuel age 9 in 1841.

I can find a Henry Oldfield marrying Selina Mellor 16/5/1826. Son of Henry and Selina, Samuel ch 12/11/1826, d 25/2/1827, and another son Samuel ch 18 Sep 1831, child of Henry and Cicely (not Selina). The only plausible Hannah is ch 1/2/1839, daughter of Cicely, no father given, but the CD notes "wife of Henry".

Do you have any evidence that Cicely is Selina?

Best wishes

Margaret

Hi Madness!!..you are aging me day by day!!

This is a challenge!!..at the moment i can only confirm that Hannah Oldfield was baptised Tideswell 02.01.1839.....daughter of Cicily...spelling as given.............no father.......

Lancashire BMD's also0 confirm the marriage of Joseph brightmore to Hannah oldfield at Salford in 1877........the reference number is C27/13/278......that would get you the marriage certificate from Southport and would confirm Hannah's parents.

I'll continue slaving on your behalf!!..

ADDITION 22.53........I have the same two Samuels as you have.and the "wife of henry" note that you mention........but to be honest...I;m dubious.....if henry and Selina married in time to produce Samuel 1826.........why would it be Cicily in 1839 with no father......unless she had been very naughty????? and although the first Samuel died in infancy..why would the 1831 Samuel's mother become Cicely??????
Derek

Hi Derek

Sorry I haven't got back to you sooner about the Tattersall info you found for Baslow. You say the last to be born there was a son of George b 1792 and the last burial was in 1800, can you give me details of these please?

Many thanks
Kathleen

Hi Derek

I know no more than you - except the spelling on the 1861 census is Sicybrna, which could be anything. I suppose I need both Hannah's birth cert and her marriage cert.

In case others are reading this, the reference that Derek gave me for the marriage certificate is not the reference to use for certs from the GRO at Southport, but for the local register office that covers Salford.

Margaret

Hi Derek Thank you so much for the information about the Jepson family, it been helpful, now i know Priscella name do you know anything about the Holland family we think she was born in Pilsley. Also Issac is the right one but do you think the others could be related Thanks in advance Hazel

Hi Hazel..I`send you the HOLLAND baptisms from North Wingfield...in case anything rings any bells:

Ann..dr of George and marths 18.01.1762
Anna dr of John and Ann 16.08.1708
Anna dr of Thomas and Cornelia 12.04.1730
Hannah dr of George and Martha 21.10.1770
Hannah dr of Ralph and Betty 10.12.1797
Jemima dr of John and Hannah 03.11.1710
John son of Thomas and Cornelia 27.03.1734
John son of RTalph and Betty 09.03.1803
Joseph son of Ralph and Betty 28.11.1800
Martha dr of George and Martha 17.06.1766
Martha dr of George and Ann 21.05.1809
Thomas son of John 02.07.1702
Thomas son of George and martha 08.08.1764
Thomas son of William and mary 16.08.1779
Thomas son of George and Ann 22.01.1812.

maybe not at all relevant to anything..but thats the Holland baptisms at North Wingfield..I'll now look for Priscilla at Pilsley

Derek

Hazel.....ok..major success..the last named Thomas Holland in the message below.married Elizabeth Hardwick of heage 18.12.1843

and baptised their daughter Priscilla Ann Holland at North Wingfield 20.07.1845.

My North Wingfield disc does not go beyond 1837 so i had to duck and dive a bit!!

I am so overcome with my brilliance that i now have to have a large Scotch!!

Derek

Hi Derek,

Do your discs cover Stanton? I am looking for the baptism of Jemimah Waine c1800. I know she married William Fentem on 22/1/1822 Youlgreave district. I believe William was also from Derbyshire but as he died before 1851 I'm not sure whereabouts.

The children I've found are John baptised 15/12/1822 (the only baptism I've found), Ann c1826, Eliza c1829, Thomas c1836, Emily c1841 and Jane c1844.

Jemimah died in 1878.

I will be grateful for anything you can find.

Chris

Hi Chris...great fun here!!.......what a chase!!

Loads of Waines.and Fentem/Fentems..in Youlgreave.....which is where you're batised if you're born in Stanton(in Peak)

Ok..Jemima WAINE was baptised Youlgreave 29.08.1802

She married WILLIAM FENTAM at Youlgreave22.01.1822 nad her frist son John,as you saud was baptised at Youlgreave 15.12.1822

I have a William Fentum buried Youlgreave 1848 aged 49...with no notes.....if thats your William we need to know what he was doing back in Stanton/Youlgreave!!

The saga is this:.....William Fentam/Fentem/Fentum looks to have been born in Derby around 1800.cos that where he took his family back to by 1841....taking in Birchover on the way where the rest of the children were born. ( don't have the records for Birchover.and my Youlgreave records end 1837)..can check at Matlock when i go.

NOW THEN!! there is no Jemima Fentum to be found in 1851.....

because she is living St. Peter Derby with her five chldren and her grandson John J son of John......listed as!!!!!! JENNIE FENTON.

by 1861 she is back to Jemima lodging in Bakewell..her daughter Jane now aged 19 is with her, and she is working as a laundress.

in 1871.she is back in Derby at No2 carltons yard..with her Grandson John/now 26..where she dies in 1878.

I don't have the Derby records so i can't help with her death date as yet.

You may like to know that her parents wereJOHN WAINE and MARY ROWLAND married Youlgreave 03.11.1789 and she had SIX siblings:
Rebekah 12.12.1790
Jane 06.05.1792
Mary 23.01.1794
Elizabeth Clark 17.05.1796
Elin 08.04.1798
John 16.02.1800

In other words Jemima was the youngest of seven

all the best

Derek


After that it all goes a bit pear-shaped..visting Birchover Derby Bakewell..

Hi Derek,

You are an absolute STAR and what a fast response. I can now go another generation back and the fact you found her siblings is fantastic. I wasn't sure when William died except that it was between 1841 & 1851. You really are very kind spending your time doing these look ups.

I have thought about buying some discs for Derbys/Leics/Shropshire but wasn't sure just what info the discs hold, perhaps you could advise me.

Thank you again for your help.

A very grateful Chrissie

Hi Chris..there are so many Wains and fentums in Youlgreave that i can probably take you back further into jemima's family..not the fentums cos William seems to have come from Derby.......

the discs are priceless..becasue they are tped out in both alphabetical and in chronological order......but many of them don't come forward enough.....like Youlgrave baptismsend 1837, but burials go up to 1900...,and many other have quite short time spans..I think they are worth what you pay for them, but you can get carried away and collect 50 or sixtry of thyem..like i have!!
Expensive!!...but its my hobby and i'm addicted!!

Derek

Hi Derek,

I've no doubt that I'll be buying some then. Can you tell me how I go about getting them. I've only been doing this for 13 months and am totally addicted, I can lose all track of time when I get my laptop out.

I would appreciate any help that you can give me tracing Jemimahs family further back.

Chrissie

Edit Forgot to ask, are the dates for Jemimahs siblings baptism dates?

Hi Chrissie..yes the dates are baptism dates..not birthdates

Elin baptised 08.04.1798 was sadly buried 10.01.1799

and rebekah 12.12.1790 was I think.but not 100% was buried 10.02.1806

You can often save money purchasing records...perhaps "sometimes" rather than "often"

By Googling the place you want a scroll down menu will give you GENUKI..magic word!! might not always be on the first page and maybe not at all.
In which case you Google..for instance "Genuki Loughborough"..thta will give you loads of links to sometimes very valuable and often obcure links to Church records etc.........and sometimes, if you're very lucky , will lead you to someoone who has already transcribed parish records and put the online free of charge.
I'll PM you later about my Derbyshire records.

Derek

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