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Sally..not by me.....why..what happened??

Derek

hello derek have you realy broken your foot i thought it might have a fool if not hope it,s going o k
sally w

Derek, my injured friend.

I have William Frith born Eyam 1780, married Martha Unknown, had children Hannah, Joseph, John, Amy, William. I have no parents for William Snr. Any chance you can find any?

A GR member has contacted me who has a possible brother for William, a Thomas b 1776 who he says married Ann Brittlebank 16/2/1801.

My question is, can you find parents for my William, and is he related to Thomas who married Miss Brittlebank?

They're mostly stonemasons if that helps, but I think Eyam was over-run with stonemasons called Frith.

Love

Margaret

Goodmorning Madness.....we have an odd one here!
First..according to the Eyam Parish records neither Thomas nor William were baptised there.
Second THOMAS did indeed marry AMY BRITTLEBANK 16.02.1801..and had a veritable horde of brats.........

I have also found in the Eyam Records the children of WILLIAM and MARTHA to which you refer............but there is no marriage, in fact there are three marriages for a William...all far too early...so how do we know these two are the parents you are looking for?

There is no evidence to show a Thomas brother of a William........in fact your informant must have relied on IGI (a submitted entry.not to be trusted) for a birth of Thomas Frith c.1776 Eyam.........he appears nowhere else......though, as I say he DID marry at Eyam

There are loads of FRITHS at Wirksworth..one of whom is a WILLIAM FRITH born 25.02.1780 son of William and Hannah.and another at great Hucklow b 1779 son of William and martha..there are others at Chapel-en-le Frith

I'll keep looking.....

Derek

Margaret..am trolling through Wirksworth records..will keep you informed..

Derek.

Derek, my initial interest was in John Frith b 1805 Eyam who married in Prestbury, Cheshire 1829 and was in Macclesfield till his death there in 1868. The only reasonable baptism at Eyam on IGI is 10 Mar 1805 (Extracted version) giving parents William and Martha and 4 siblings.

Being slapdash at recording my sources (on a pile of paper somewhere!), I don't know how I came to the conclusion that William and Martha were born or married in Eyam. Their first child is born 1801.

So if it wasn't Eyam, I suppose it could be anywhere. And I'd have no way of knowing would I? So don't do any more trawling, he clearly didn't have a brother Thomas anyway.

Cheers

Meg

Hi Margaret..I do't mind trawling..I enjoy it........but this one is a bit of a nightmare. Certainly the five children of William and martha were born at Eyam..the first being Hannah 1801.

I have fairly strong evidence that his parents were William Frith and Martha Chapman.....and whilst one hint is that William junior was born Eyam..which he clearly wasn't..another suggests Great Hucklow.

You may or not know that that particular area encompasses places lke G.Hucklow...in the Parish of Hope..and Tideswell two miles away..so i went "trawling"......
William Frith married martha Chapman at Hope 31.12.1771..no further clues..so i went to Tideswell..and found William Frith son of Willam and martha 30.08.1779..but he died nov 1779..But also another William son of Willam and martha (!!!!) baptised 30.03.1780.

But I still can't find any marriage.

Incidentally the parents of William Frith senior..also appear to be Willaim and martha!!.

I think I have to give up on this one!!

Derek

Hi Sally..sorry not to have answered you before..yes i broke a bone in my ankle..but compoletley fit again now...thanks for bohering

Derek

Thanks Derek. Yes the first was Hannah, followed by Joseph, John, Amy and William. Oh, I said that already.

Well, when it comes to brief parish records, don't we have to take a chance? I mean, we ain't going to go back to aristocracy, so I am fairly happy to say William's parents were "likely" to be William Frith and Martha Chapman. If somebody care's to take me to court over them, I'll be prepared to stand trial (citing you as evidence of course!).

You say:

"I have fairly strong evidence that his parents were William Frith and Martha Chapman.....and whilst one hint is that William junior was born Eyam..which he clearly wasn't..another suggests Great Hucklow."

Which William are you referring to as William Jnr? The one born 1810, or his father b 1780? Oh, you mean his father (whose birthdate I have guessed). So he was born Gt Hucklow, shall we say "likely"?

And his parents were William and Martha Chapman? And my Willie is their second Willie b 1780?

Did they marry at the parish church in the middle of Hope? I'd like to think so.

But I still can't find any marriage. *** Of whom?

I was really looking to know who William Frith b 1780 married, Martha, parents of the five children born Eyam. Is that the marriage you can't find?

We can't usually get much further back unless names are unique or there is something noteworthy about the person. A load of Ag Labs or even Stone Masons aren't going to reach the National News. My next ports of call are the cemeteries of Derbyshire - when the weather warms up a bit.

I did go back to BEFORE 1066 on one branch, cos a Vicar joined the clan, records were there, historical books etc. I also went back to time immemorial on the family of Charles Darwen, until I noticed a "slight" flaw in my logic around 1780 that failed to prove I was at all connected! Hey ho. So 1771 in Hope it is.

Love

Madness

Hi dear Mad one.I think I'll join you in the looney bin..
WILLIAM FRITH 30.03.1780 Great Hucklow son of William and Martha.

WILLIAM FRITH 30.08.1779 Tideswell son of William and Martha

WILLIAM FRITH 26.03.181 Eyam son of William and Martha..married Ann or hannah Glossop 28.12.1826.....


WILLIAM FRITH married MARTHA CARRINGTON Chesterfield 17.04.1832

Then we have entries on IGI putting Eyam and Chapel en le Frith together!!!!!!!

excuse me while i go for a large Scotch!!

Derek xxx

Mad ones come and join us loonies in Nutlodge LOL.Just stopped by to say HI Derek

Hello LA.don't tell me Meg has joined you!! i despair for my own sanity!!..Anyway how about some work from you lot?? For me i mean...

Derek

I will have some more for you soon. Just a bit busy at the moment with the builders pulling my bathroom apart.

Peter.thanks for your PM....will get back to you on here....Click on Submit..not my name.

Derek.

Polling Day is also Matlock Records Office Day.....now that I am fit and raring to go again.........so hit me with your requests!!!! (That's Thursday by the way!!)

Derek.

You could have a look for Rachel's Margerisons Derek. I did a lot of work with her, so would be glad if you could help out.

EDIT: Is something else happening on Thursday? Oh yes, it's wheelie bin day here!

Hi Meg....remind me of dates and place..and of course I'll look.

derek.

I think this is it Derek:

Rachel 15th February 2010 04:33 Request review
Hello Derek
Do you have access to records for Glossop, Hayfield and surrounds...I would like to trace any Margerisons if possible...John Married a Catherine Lister in 1883 and had children....then she did a runner and became Catherine *******..my Gt Grandmother!!! So I would like to trace these descendants as they would be interested to know what became of their Gt Grandmother I am Sure!! Many thanks rach

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Derek 18th February 2010 23:36 Request review
Hello Rachel..sorry for the delay.....I have been unable to find any Margerisons in the records i have....largely becasue they don't go up to 1883..but I have you on my list for my nest trip to Matlock records office. please bear with me.

Derek

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Rachel 25th February 2010 04:45 Request review
thats great thanks. The children were Joseph b1887, John William b 1889..Agnes c1887 Grace 1891, Elizabeth 1893 and Eva 1898. I think the younger girls may have been put in a workhouse? By the 1901 census Catherine was with her new family! Margerison is sometimes misspelt Margison on the records I gather? I would really like to trace these relatives and know what became of them after their mother left. :( Also if you come accross any Lister or Longleys they may well be Catherine Lister's relatives as seamingly Beard and Bridge and Bancroft names are linked through marriage, wich is how i guess they came to be in Glossop from Sheffield?

thanks for that

rt

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Hey madness.sorry no luck with ther Magerisons..I think they are in yorkshire!!

Derek x

OK LA..here are some MEASHAM marriages for you..i know i gave a you a whole host months ago from the Phillimore records up to 1812..here are the post 1812 ones direct from the Reptons PR's:

Not in any particular order!!

JOHN...father oddly given as john Stokes..m Harriet Giles 17.11.1859
ANN daughter of William m. Henry Ward 25.06.1860
GEORGE (aged 23) son of Richard, m.Ann Poyser aged 27.28.08.1869
JAMES nmarried Ann Burton 09.02.1813
HENRY married Ann Pegg 07.10.1834
GEORGE married Ann Rebecca Ward 23.03.1826
THOMAS married Sarah Smith 07.06.1817
THOMAS widower married Ann Needham daughter of Francis and mary 01.12.1821
THOMAS married Elizabeth Turner 09.10.1832
William Measham marreid Elizabeth Wootton 21.08.1833
ROBERT m.Emma Hannah Mugliston 21.07.1834

GILBERT MEASHAM a widower married Mary Ann Parker a widow 13.09.1831.......this i believ is the same gilbert who married Mary Meakin.......

more to0morrow!!

Derek.